On Thu 13 March 2014 02:35:10 joerg Reisenweber wrote: > [2014-03-12 22:49:27] <andre__> mentioning "no closed channels" is funny > when hiding discussions and work in ##maemo-admin... > [2014-03-12 22:55:53] <DocScrutinizer05> ##maemo-admin is THE channel for > ALL techstaff to communicate *in the open* of techstaff crew > [2014-03-12 22:56:33] <DocScrutinizer05> not only techstaff but even > council and yes even HiFo > [2014-03-12 22:57:35] <DocScrutinizer05> you can't expect security threats > getting discussed and defeated in #maemo, eh? > [2014-03-12 22:58:13] <DocScrutinizer05> we even have community visitors > there, e.g. Pali > [2014-03-12 22:58:56] <DocScrutinizer05> techst...@maemo.org is an > alternative "open" channel which you refused to deal with. A pity > [2014-03-12 22:59:47] <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, when you got criticism, I > hope you also have suggestions. Come up with them! how to do it better? I'm > listening > [2014-03-12 23:00:15] <andre__> if there was something secret to discuss, > sure. > [2014-03-12 23:00:20] <andre__> I gave up joining ##maemo-admin - too much > hassle (access restriction) to set up. > [2014-03-12 23:00:54] <andre__> I didn't "refuse to deal with". I asked to > unsubscribe me because 0 emails were interesting to me. > [2014-03-12 23:00:58] <DocScrutinizer05> ok, thanks for this helpful > contribution > [2014-03-12 23:01:09] <andre__> You're welcome. Always happy to remind of > more openness. > [2014-03-12 23:01:11] <DocScrutinizer05> afk > [2014-03-12 23:02:02] <andre__> I wonder how many "security threads" were > actually discussed. And how much stuff in private that could have easily > been in public. But that's the normal problem with closed channels... > [2014-03-12 23:02:47] <DocScrutinizer05> you should know that every single > IP of a user, every single email alias or address is stuff that mustn't > get disclosed to the public > [2014-03-12 23:03:19] <DocScrutinizer05> thus admin channels are not public > [2014-03-12 23:05:27] <DocScrutinizer05> anyway since you refer to > something I posted where I referred to how HiFo handled stuff in an > unacceptable intolerable way: I wouldn't have had any objections when HiFo > had discussed new backup server in #maemo. I would have been happy to see > it getting discussed here > [2014-03-12 23:05:35] <DocScrutinizer05> now afk for good [2014-03-13 02:56:55] <DocScrutinizer05> andre__: I MUSTN'T select techst...@maemo.org mail to send only that mails to you I think might be interesting for you. I'm *NOT* running a one-man-show in maemo infra maintenance. It's up to *you* to decide what's "interesting to you" and what you rather want to ignore. Imagine me selecting which of the mails to techstaff I'd forward to you. Are *you* ready to deal with the shitstorm this would cause? I'm not [2014-03-13 03:00:25] <DocScrutinizer05> there is no "one-man-show" (yet? seems some guys want to establish that) in maemo infra maintenance. Whole techstaff are peers, and sysops are our dignified masters. Nota bene I'm NOT one of them [2014-03-13 03:04:30] <DocScrutinizer05> (not really, since I know I can't compete, and I try to keep my permissions as keyholder lower than those of the sysops) [2014-03-13 03:07:09] <DocScrutinizer05> if the right people want to kill my accounts, they are pretty easily able to do so, in no time. Zilch I could do against that. I'm providing a service to techstaff and to community. And God knows it's a PITA to do so, particularly when fools try to play power games [2014-03-13 03:23:36] <andre__> DocScrutinizer05, not sure what your problem is talking about "killing your accounts" and why you tell me. What I wrote was that techstaff@ mails aren't interesting to me. [2014-03-13 03:31:18] <DocScrutinizer05> I'm trying to set up an orga that is as liberal and as much independent of my own person as I can figure. No "jo...@maemo.org" for complaints regarding any maemo issues is one of the measures. Not holding any power that would forbid sysops nuking all my accounts is another. Then I feel responsible to not allow anybody rogue to access stuff in maemo.org infra, which is another task I try to fulfill. I'm not the one responsible or in command of maemo, I just try to manage stuff according to best practice and common sense. You came accusing me to not operate "open" enough. I don't know how to do any better. Either you suggest better alternatives or I can't help with your concerns [2014-03-13 03:38:07] <DocScrutinizer05> it's *techstaff* who has control over maemo.org, *not me* [2014-03-13 03:44:26] <DocScrutinizer05> either you are interested in techstaff@ and discuss alternatives there, or you don't care about how and where techstaff communicates [2014-03-13 03:45:07] <DocScrutinizer05> accusing me for not managing stuff "open enough" is nonsense -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German)
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