On 2/20/07, Paul Klapperich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How many mobile phones have you found that provide unfettered access to 3rd
party applications?

Symbian mobile phones. Windows mobile phones. Palm mobile phones. Any
phone with java. They don't provide 'unfettered access' but they
certainly allow one to install a tcp/ip server on them.

On 2/20/07, Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *If* you install an internet service, then you know about it. Then you
> can also judge on how to secure it. If you cannot do it then simply
> don't install this service and you're fine.

That's true. I accept the risk and would like to secure it. How the hell am
I supposed to do that without a firewall?


A firewall will allow you to restrict access to the internet tablet
from specific IPs. That's all.

Any TCP/IP service that doesn't have a decent authentication mechanism
shouldn't be installed on the tablet in the first place. Relying on IP
based whitelists/blacklists is not a reliable technique
authentication.

If you install SSH, use ssh-keys. If you install canola, only allow
local access. You simply should not be installing an application that
does not allow for decent authentication !

Nokia really doesn't have to do anything to "guarantee" that 3rd party apps
are safe, but I would certainly trust the integrity an official iptables
compiled by Nokia. They certainly have something to loose by somehow
subverting it, so I would trust it. And as it really wouldn't take anything
more than a checking the option in the kernel config before building, I
really don't think this is any additional burden to them.

Hell, for all I care they could leave iptables unconfigured. Power users,
Linux users, and IT Staff should have no problem setting it up. There's no
reason to include a gui or do anything beyond compiling it into the kernel
and releasing it as part of an update/new OS image. Absolutely no
customization should be needed.

Can you give me ANY argument against including iptables beyond the argument
that you don't feel it's necessary or that you somehow think Nokia would
have to spend more than 5 minutes on this?[1]  I'm sure this is why Zora
didn't feel bothered to make an actual argument; there's no argument on the
other side.

I'm sure it would be reasonably straightforward, just rather pointless.

Gav
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