On 24.02.2011 18:57, Tux99 wrote: > > > Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 13:27 >> >> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 10:06 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : >>> >>> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such >>> "More" >>> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for >>> what we have >>> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu >>> >>> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring >>> "simplicity", >> >> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the >> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of >> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember >> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot >> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). >> >> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is >> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one >> : >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model
Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to keep the current system? I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video, Tools, Tools->System submenus. With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the ~7 you mention. > The study that estimates the number of chunks of information a normal human > can keep in working memory might be correct, but it's applied in a > completely unfitting situation here. > > Scanning a list of program names has nothing to do keeping chunks of info > in the brain. > > I'm pretty sure that if we make a survey among Mandriva users the majority > will be saying they don't like apps hidden behind "More" as it currently > happens, they would want them in the higher level with all the other apps > of the same type. > > Every Mandriva user I know (regarless if a complete noob or an IT literate > person) finds the "More.." folder confusing and counterintuitive and > without any benefit. > > I would actually think this is one of those things where a poll among users > would make sense, since it doesn't really have technical implications > either way. > > Another solution would be to make it a configurable user preference, but of > course that would require someone to write the necessary code, so that's > not such an immediate solution as changing the config. The code is mostly written (drakmenustyle) as it is already possible to switch between mdv and kde/gnome menu styles, but it would be some work to create the menu style itself. > BTW: can anyone tell me where exactly this "More" folder behaviour is > configured? MDV menu style is in /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu for KDE and /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu for others. Upstream kde4 menu is in /etc/xdg/kde4/menus/applications.menu. Upstream gnome menu is in /etc/xdg/gnome/menus/applications.menu. I don't remember which script/config file is used to change the menu style used, but this can be configured via drakmenustyle. -- Anssi Hannula