'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 07/02/13 15:35 did gyre and gimble: > --- On Thu, 2/7/13, Colin Guthrie <[email protected]> wrote: >> From: Colin Guthrie <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl >> To: "Mageia development mailing-list" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "David Walser" <[email protected]> >> Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013, 4:56 AM >> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at >> 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble: >>> Colin Guthrie <mageia@...> writes: >>>> Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think there >> is any argument that >>>> would suggest the removal from the repositories or >> obsoletion of rsyslog >>>> or syslog-ng etc. >>> >>> I agree, and that's consistent with what you've said in >> the past. I thought >>> it was odd that the idea of obsoleting them came up >> yesterday in the packager >>> meeting, but it did. The main reason was wanting >> to know if rsyslog should >>> still be on the DVD, in case of users using it to >> upgrade from Mageia 2. >>> >>> It may be the case that not upgrading that particular >> package during the DVD >>> upgrade won't *break* anything and it can just be >> upgraded after the system >>> is booted and urpmi sources are added, in which case it >> doesn't *need* to be >>> on the DVD. Otherwise, we should make sure it's >> on there. >> >> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the >> physical media >> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd >> package with >> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be >> removed when >> upgrading (AIUI). > > I don't agree with unexpectedly forcibly removing it from people's systems. > > Do we even know if it hurts anything to leave the mga2 package installed for > a few minutes?
rsyslog and it's packaging in relation to systemd has certainly changed a lot... dunno exactly how much harm it would do but it would be a combination we'd need to cover in QA to make sure. Better if it can just be avoided if possible (i.e. include it on the physical media for now). Col -- Colin Guthrie colin(at)mageia.org http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org/
