On 19/02/13 12:51, [email protected] wrote: > > > On 2013-02-19 11:45, Robert Fox wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 12:35 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: >>> Le 19/02/2013 12:20, [email protected] a écrit : >>> > If that's how you feel about having a program like DenyHosts >>> running by >>> > default, do you feel the same way about having a firewall running and >>> > configured out of the box. >>> > >>> > Is a firewall a sysadmin's or packager's choice? >>> A sysadmin choice. Pushing always more stuff 'by default' doesn't help >>> users to make educated choices. >> >> On one hand I agree, on the other hand - we want a distribution which >> simply works and common choices are made (like which firewall) from the >> distro side - a good enough Sysadmin can then change to his/her liking >> afterwards. This is more or less a distro "philosophy" question, but >> look why "Mint" has become so popular - because many choices are made >> upfront for the user - yet the flexibility is in the system (and enough >> packages) for an advanced user to change them! >> >> As long as the default settings are documented upfront - I see no issue >> in making such a decision on behalf of the "average" user - and making a >> more security robust distribution. >> >> BTW, there is no Mageia package for BlockHosts - but fail2ban and >> DenyHosts there are packages . . . >> > > This is the point that many distro devs don't seem to understand. People > want a system that just works. Have you observed that Macs are very > popular with geeks, that is, the guys who can mess with a system in and > out. Why? > > How did Ubuntu and Mint become so popular? That's right, they just work. > All the sane options have been pre-selected. > > I once had a discussion with a dev who did not want to have the updates > manager's icon in the systray because he did not want to clutter that > part of the panel. > > > -- > finid >
With this in mind could somebody mind looking at bugs 8985, 8986, 8987 and possibly also 9107. https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8985 https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8986 https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8987 https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9107 T.I.A. Claire
