Le 25/09/2010 15:09, Michael Scherer a écrit : > Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 09:43 +0200, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > >> Alternatively, I think the footer doesn't help much, so maybe it should >> be erased. >> > In a fully dictatorial and autocratic way, I have removed the footer > from the messages on -discuss and -dev. If this cause too much problem > ( like people unable to find the web interface ), I will add them back. > > Now, I just need to find a good message about etiquette to send on first > subscription. ( help welcome ). > Here is the message send every to the XFCE mailing-list subscriber : (sorry, it's quite long)
Hi! Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users. You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups. Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom). Index: o General mailinglist information o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?) o Which Xfce user/project groups exist? o So what if I need help? o I've read the websites and I still need help! o No disclaimers please o Quoting style? o What about you guys? o Most commonly asked questions o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer o General mailinglist information The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers (foo-projects.org) and uses "mailman" to interface users, subscriptions and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists: View all lists: http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce Online Archive: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?) There are "developer" and "user" lists. The general (this) user mailing list for Xfce is "[email protected]". This is the typical list to discuss problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user. If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the development mailing list "[email protected]". There is an obsolete list called "xfce-dev" as well but since all of the development is done on xfce version 4 this list is not used. Specific lists also exist for translations ([email protected]), announcements from the Xfce team ([email protected]), commits and autogenerated messages ([email protected], [email protected]). Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them are not hosted on foo-projects.org: xfc: [email protected] thunar: [email protected] xfce goodies: [email protected] o Which Xfce user/project groups exist? + The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -> http://xfce.org/ + The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations to the Xfce components. -> http://i18n.xfce.org/ + The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at http://goodies.xfce.org/ and hosts a public SVN repository. Everyone is welcome to contribute his Xfce application here! + Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too large (xfc -> http://xfc.xfce.org/, pyxfce -> http://pyxfce.xfce.org/) to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -> http://directory.xfce.org/ o So what if I need help? Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them: Official documentation: http://www.xfce.org/documentation/ User Forum: http://forum.xfce.org/ IRC channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce Wiki: http://wiki.xfce.org/ Bugreports: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/ List archives: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce Other FAQ's exist and may prove useful to you: http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq o I've read the websites and I still need help! Asking on a mailing list for help is hard: Everyone will read your question and will criticise you if you submit a question in the wrong way. Here's some hints to maximize the chances that you get what you want as quickly as possible: + Do some research first + Ask the right people + When asking in IRC, ask for pointers to help, not the explanation + When asking in mailinglists, format your mail properly + Use english + Be specific and detailed (but not too much) + Re-post the solution so others can learn If you follow these rules everyone will be happy to help you! But don't be afraid to ask though, this mailinglists is exactly for asking questions! There's a good in-depth document that explains the etiquette that most senior ML members follow. You should read this if you become a frequent ML poster as it explains _why_ we write this way in a really good way: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Take 15 minutes to read this document, it will help you later and you will understand much better how to get your question answered. o No disclaimers please If you are posting from an email account where a legal disclaimer is automatically appended to your outgoing messages, please disable it. If you cannot, please use a different email account, or register for a free webmail account (GMail, Yahoo, etc.). Note that such a disclaimer means very little when you post an email to a public mailing list with public archives. Extraneous disclaimer text in email can make your message harder to read, and tends to add a lot of useless content when messages are replied to repeatedly. Remember that you're posting to a community of hundreds of people, and it's impolite to use up their time unnecessarily. o Quoting style? It's very hard to understand a thread of messages if they become replies to replies and everyone mixes quoting styles. That's why there is something called "quoting style", that describes how you should quote the previous posters contents when you reply to a mailinglist message. We prefer that you use "Top quoting". That means that you should put your reply _below_ (Put the quote on top/above your reply) the original poster's message. That way the contents are in chronological order and you can read the entire message thread without figuring out where the reply belongs. Here's a good FAQ on how to quote: http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html Basically: + quote at the top + prune text from the quote that is irrelevant + remove footers and headers (condense) + put the reply directly next to (in between) the original text o What about you guys? Well we're just a bunch of geeks (we need girls) who like Xfce... Most of us work on Xfce outside of our normal daily occupation such as real work or real study (except some lucky people who do both). If you're interested in getting to know the Xfce team a bit closer (and are okay with a little abuse, being teased or ignored etc) you're welcome to join us on our IRC channel (#xfce on the freenode IRC network) or read our blogs. This might not always be about Xfce but that's life. -> http://blog.xfce.org/ o Most commonly asked questions There are a few questions that get asked much more often then any other. We hope we can provide you with the information here to find out for yourself how to find more information about them. + How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch Xfce)? Use the session-manager. If you still have problems with some applications not behaving or remembering their desktop number then you might consider using "devilspie". You can add links to applications in ~/Desktop/Autostart, but the session-manager also remembers which applications you had running when you last logged out (and saved your session!), and will start them again (so don't close your applications before logging out!) + Can I replace Xfce program X with my favorite program Y? Yes, you can. Xfce is developed with the idea of modularity in mind in all components. This means that you can replace xfwm4 with another window manager, replace xfdesktop with rox or idesk, or even nautilus. Most of the times you can just kill the xfce component and start the application you want to run instead, and use the session manager to save your session when you exit. + How can I shutdown my computer in Xfce? Read http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown + Can I install multiple Xfce versions concurrently? You can actually, but it's a nightmare if you install one of them in a system-default location. The best thing to do is to install every Xfce version in a non-system location like /opt/xfce/$(XFCE_VERSION) and adjust your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to point to the preferred version at run time. + My desktop or desktop menu has disappeared!? It appears that xfdesktop is no longer in control of the desktop. Often xfdesktop has died, or some other program took over the desktop. Make sure that xfdesktop is still running first. Nautilus takes over the desktop by default too. Please start nautilus with the --no-desktop flag, or use gconf-editor and unset the flag that tells nautilus to handle the desktop (/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop). Start xfdesktop again and you should be OK again. + How do I edit the system application menu? The menu is partially autogenerated by xfdesktop. If you want to just delete or add one or two applications, add the proper .desktop file (usually in /usr/share/applications). With the xfce4-menueditor, you can completely customize the menu. + What other (hidden) settings exist? A lot. Take a look into the manual for hidden settings for each component. http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk + Where can I get Xfce packages for XXX? The up-to-date list of other packages is found on our website and includes links to debian, suse, freebsd etc. packages for Xfce. Please visit: http://www.xfce.org/download/ o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer The current FAQ maintainer is: [email protected] _______________________________________________ Xfce mailing list [email protected] http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce http://www.xfce.org -- Marianne (Jehane) Lombard Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
