On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier Méjean <[email protected]> wrote:
> Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a écrit : > > > > I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather > > than mailing lists, but still want to partecipate in the mailing list > > discussions! > > > > Hi there > > Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible. > > However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users > are > quite different from ML users. > > In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a > distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers > are > also end-users). I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both. End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we > will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum > must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top > posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And > just > use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in > computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how > theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users > (outside > those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch > quite > impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ? > The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able). So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'. (I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do) > > Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML's properly. The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded. That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem. As a user i > do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to > navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) > more > attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same > thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very > efficient, > but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to > point > and click, validate. > > I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is > also > two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc > Paré is on) ? > > So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML > and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way > for me > is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ? (Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media) > some of us > will be on both tools but most will use just one. > Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem. I hope I don't come across as too opiniated. These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it. > > -- > Olivier Méjean > Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux > http://mandrivafr.org > twitter : obagoom > identi.ca : goom > -- Frederic
