Buchan Milne a écrit :
On Wednesday, 14 September 2011 10:32:32 nicolas vigier wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, Kristoffer Grundström wrote:
Hi!
A long time have I wondered why a Swedish man/woman would want to have
more languages on his/her iso to install just Swedish as language.
What is the benefit to removing a language one particular user doesn't need?
What is the cost (to other users who may need locales).
Note that languages are a specific problem, due to how initial installation of
the distribution is different to package installation (it is more difficult to
add languages post-install exactly the same as if you had selected them during
install, compared to how easy it is to add more packages that you didn't
select or weren't available during installation).
I'm therefor opening a discussion to perhaps solve this little proposal
that I've got.
Look at the Live-iso's that we have to offer, they come with 16 languages
each.
Lets think for a second that a user doesn't want to install a Live-system
& to use a large iso with unnessecary languages is out of question.
Maybe we should go back to *why* there are multiple live images with subsets
of languages. It is *not* so the user has the convenience of not choosing
their language, but because it is difficult to have a "complete" enough system
catering to most use cases in under 700MB that supports all the languages. So
for example, the choice is to drop LibreOffice, or only support a few
languages per ISO.
If the software for a good default install would fit on
How does he/she solve it to install Mageia?
My idea is that we transform the full-DVD iso to one-language only, but
more iso's in the end.
So, it is your opinion that>90% of the users use more than ~ 60% of the
software that will fit on a DVD ISO (without any other languages)?
Maybe you should start off with your proposal of what these packages are that
are so important to be included on 100 DVD ISOs.
Like this:
mageia-dvd-1-i586.iso in a language-dir under
ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/iso/1/
The result is that you shrink the DVD much& you can add other stuff that
doesn't fit in the ordinary DVD's for some reason.......perhaps add more
drivers.
I think that you are deluding yourself about how much space is saved. Language
files tend to be very small, compared to binaries.
Yes, but you will get an iso with unnessecary drivers. And unnessecary
applications. Maybe we can make ISOs with only one language, one driver
and one application ?
It starts to sound like it should just be a custom live image made with
draklive ...
Why stop there? What about variations for authentication libraries (e.g., some
people may not want *any* LDAP in their system)? In this case, we may want to
have versions of the packages built without LDAP support. Same for PAM (like
Slackware). Same for databases. Maybe one without any php? One for python-
haters (let's hope they don't have HP printers)?
Maybe a Gentoo-based system that compiles the whole distro with the selected
features and genearates an ISO. But, then, why generate the ISO, updates would
have to be customised anyway.
It seems you have come up with a solution to a problem that either does not
exist, or that you have not been able to communicate, with significant costs
on *everyone* involved in the distribution, with no motivated benefits.
We could end up being the only 1000-iso distro !
We'd make it to the Guiness book of records :) :) :)
Regards,
Buchan
--
André
