2012/3/11 Dimitrios Glentadakis <[email protected]>: > > Le 11 mars 2012 12:15, "Wolfgang Bornath" <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >> 2012/3/11 Luc Menut <[email protected]>: >> > Le 10/03/2012 23:49, Oliver Burger a écrit : >> >> >> >> Am 10.03.2012 23:46, schrieb Juan Luis Baptiste: >> > >> > [...] >> >>> >> >>> Right now, the splitting of the handbook packages will use the same >> >>> bandwidth as before. As Anssi said, before the handbooks came bundled >> >>> with the owner package, so they were also being installed. So >> >>> bandwidth wise, is still the same as before the splitting. >> >>> >> >> I haven't looked into it, but perhaps we could install those handbooks >> >> as Suggests instead of Requires (or is it already done that way?). >> >> Then people wanting to save bandwidth could just install using >> >> "--no-suggests". >> > >> > >> > I don't agree. Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be >> > installed, and shouldn't be removed. A kde install without handbooks is >> > a >> > damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue to >> > work on handbooks if each distrib don't install its work? >> > That's why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component should >> > *requires* its handbook (but probably it won't work with LiveCD). >> >> I don't agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the >> KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake >> "good to have" for "must have". I'm using KDE but only few KDE >> applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail >> when I don't even install these applications? I would happily >> de-install such handbooks as I regularly unmark grub-doc and similar >> packages from installation. >> >> In your previous reply to Juergen you also showed that you >> misunderstood his wish for Mageia documentation. It is good and >> important that documentation is available if needed. But it must not >> be forced on those who don't want/need it. >> >> I may add that I have been involved in documentation writing and >> translating for almost 7 years. But I never thought that users must >> use it if they don't need it. >> >> -- >> wobo > > I agree that documentation has to be available with the application i use. > While i use the program and i need more infos i press F1. If the handbook it > is not available what i will have ? A message informs me that the doc is > missing or it has to be installed manualy? > > As when you get any product it comes with its manual, i believe that the > handbook of an application is a must have, and an application should never > be installed without its documentation.
You are right with the criterium "an application I use". But here we are talking about handbooks of every single little KDE app being forced upon the user, whether he wants/needs it or not. Same as the examples grub-doc or qt-doc - an average user will never need them and he can unmark them in package selection.. As for KDE I strongly suggest to have handbooks not required but all KDE handbooks in one package, to be installed by default on a standard KDE system but to be selectable in individual package selection - just like with the other handbooks (Gimp, qt, etc.). -- wobo
