Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2012/4/5 andre999<[email protected]>:
Luc Menut a écrit :
Le 11/03/2012 12:14, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2012/3/11 Luc Menut<[email protected]>:
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I don't agree. Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be
installed, and shouldn't be removed. A kde install without handbooks
is a
damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue
to
work on handbooks if each distrib don't install its work?
That's why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component
should
*requires* its handbook (but probably it won't work with LiveCD).
I don't agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the
KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake
"good to have" for "must have". I'm using KDE but only few KDE
applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail
when I don't even install these applications?
I agree, and that's why I said "each component should requires its
handbook", meaning kdebase4-workspace requires kdebase4-workspace-handbooks,
kmail requires kmail-handbook, ...
Currently, each component suggests its handbook (needed for LiveCD).
If we use only suggests for handbooks, the handbooks are missing on DVD
iso (because DVD iso doesn't include suggests), so that handbooks are never
installed with a DVD install, and all the kde docs will be missing by
default.
For now, I don't have a perfect solution to this problem.
To workaround this, I added a task-kde4-handbooks that REQUIRES the
handbooks for kde's components that are installed by a default mageia kde
install. I know that it's not perfect.
I'm open to a better solution, but I really want to avoid that the
handbooks are not installed on most of mageia's install.
regards,
Luc
A suggestion from a non-kde user.
Why not put task-kde4-handbooks on the dvd, but not have it required by kde
?
That way, selecting kde (without selecting task-kde4-handbooks) won't pull
in all handbooks, only those required by the kde packages actually
installed.
That's only half the solution. Example: I install kcalc or a simple
KDE patience game - why do I want to have the handbooks? So, ok, if
DVD does not include suggests and to avoid letting users pull the
handbook from the net after system installation, then at least it must
be possible to uninstall handbooks no matter if the matching
application is installed or not.
Meaning, without knowing the technical solution: if it is unavoidable
to get the handbooks installed by dependency I still expect to be able
to easily uninstall every handbook I want without having to use 'rpm
-e --nodeps' on each one.
I see your point. It certainly would be better if there were an easy
non-technical means of deselecting a handbook when installing an
application.
However, I do think that it would be better to install the corresponding
handbook by default.
We could use a tree-type selection for closely related modules. (With
rpmdrake or similar graphical interface.)
If one wants everything, select the root application and install.
If not, then deselect the unwanted modules before install.
In addition to modifying rpmdrake, we would have to establish how this
would be coded in the spec files or package names, etc.
We would have to consider aspects such as language files, etc.
--
André
