On Wednesday 23 August 2006 03:25, Anthony Thyssen wrote:
> =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F8rn_Dahl-Stamnes?= on  wrote...
>
> | I use IM to reduce the size of the images I want to display on my
> | web-page. Last weekend I shot some pictures from a mountain bike race:
> |
> | www.dahl-stamnes.net/Foto/show.php?album=Marka_2006_1
> | www.dahl-stamnes.net/Foto/show.php?album=Marka_2006_2
> |
> | However, a viewer commented that he though the pictures was not that good
> | in quality. He thought he saw to much noice and talked about "aliasing
> | artifac" (sp?).
> |
> | Any comments?
>
> Well you certainly made it difficult to download the image!
> I had to look at the page source to figure out
>    http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/Foto/img.php?img=20583
>
> The image downloaded is a JPEG!  Of course the image will be a lower
> quality, and contain aliasing artifacts.  What does he want?

As a friend of my said it: A high quality picture he can use for his own 
purpose without having to pay for it, mabe? ;-);-)

> If anything it should be even lower quality for web use, with a link to
> a larger higher quality, and high bandwidth one, in PNG (only for
> specific people like the owner).

I use '-quality 75' when creating the images. I did some experiments yesterday 
with differente value to the -quality option. I made a picture with '-quality 
90'. Then I took both images into photoshop and put both images into one (2 
layers) and changed the layer mode to difference. I got a complete black 
image. Doesn't this indicate that there is no difference between the two 
images?

> PS: I would use a tiled watermark, as a centered one may not stop people
> grabbing and cropping a relevent part that is not in the center of the
> image.

I have tried it but people thought it was to disturbing.

> Actually I thought it came out pretty good.  Ask the person for a
> specific example of the low quality aspect.
>
> Also in what format did you get the photo? and was it high quality?
> Compare against his specific example of the problem.

The original is Canon RAW format (.cr2 files, output from 20D and 30D). The 
workflow after I have shot some pictures is:

* Use Canon's software to view and adjust (lightnes, contrast, color) on the 
raw pictures. Delete the one that is not worth keeping.
* Convert the raw files to jpg. The jpg files are used for the archive program 
while the raw files are stored for later use.
* Add all jpg files into the archive.
* Select the pictures in the archive I want to have on my web-page and then 
create a CSV file containing the names of the files + additional information.
* Use my own perl/bash scripts to resize and create thumbnails. The scripts 
use IM to do this work
* Move the resized jpg files to the web-server and update the SQL database 
with information about the pictures.

> Remember every time a JPG image is loaded and saved it degrades. If the
> user has done this before passing to you the quality will suffer.

I know.

> The best source is the exact image generated by the digital camera
> without any changes (or even a load an save from a viewer, just plain
> file copies)

The source which IM use to create the jpg files on my web-server, is the jpg 
file created from the raw files (the jpg file in the archive). The quality of 
the jpg is higher than the original file would have been if I shoot in jpg 
mode (and not raw).

-- 
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
homepage: http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/dahls/

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