I have had very bad experiences with the complexity explosion that is common
with Spring, but I very much like the philosophical underpinnings that drive
it.

I really don't see the need for a custom class loader.  All we really have
to do is inject a few classes here and there and they should be in the class
path.  It isn't unreasonable to imagine that this injection be done in
spring style although the basic idea is so simple that it keeps getting
re-implemented by umpteen different people.  The real problem with spring is
that if you let it in the door, people start using it for everything and
there is a huge presumption that it is in charge of everything.  Suddenly
you have 5000 line XML configuration files and only 5% of your engineers can
change them without cascading failures that are only detected at run-time
and have *very* strange symptoms.

A really different approach would be to use something like a scripting
language as the glue.  That removes the problem by moving the center of
control and allowing the user to inject their implementations fairly
simply.

Similarly, if we just remove the idea that mahout is a command line program
that must load the user's classes, and have the user write the command line
side, then things are suddenly simple again because Mahout is just a
library.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Grant Ingersoll <[email protected]>wrote:

> Ah, yeah, true.  Not sure why that slipped my mind.  Probably had Solr on
> the brain.
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
>  I'd rather integrate Spring. But you've heard me on this subject on Solr
>> before.
>>
>>

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