The sucess of GNU/Linux systems would ultimatedly be decided by human beings 
and not just the hackers.  We started learing english by trying to grasp a b c 
d e..z.   and  not by reading shakesphere.  The nornal people out there would 
want a transistion from the mostly pirated windos environments they use.  And 
for that the advocates of GNU/Linux would have to start from the Desktop first, 
and then show them the world of bash and VIM and Emacs.
 
 This would depend on the target audiance, students who are into the sciences 
need not bother about the desktop because they need to know the power and reach 
of GNU/Linux.  Children would need apps and games they relate with.  But the 
majority of people out there who are ignorant windows addicts would have to be 
shown the alternative first and here the Desktop would be the starting point.
 
 And I further think that the desktop is an important aspect, If am right then 
it was RMS who started the GNOME project though due to licensing issues related 
with KDE.
 
 And I think to call ourself hackers would be a statistical mistake, i doubt 
the percentage of people, on the list, who have contributed code to a GPL 
program would be under one percentage. 
 
 Justin
 

Mahesh Aravind <ra_mahesh at yahoo.com> wrote: 
Maybe there are students for these too...
  
  But I cannot gather why *anyone* would need teaching for desktop GNU/Linux?
  
  Some people would argue that Desktop Linux in itself is an oxymoron.
  
 They are intuitive themselves. If anyone (dead or living) cant figure out 
anything by themselves, they won't stay put in the Linux world any longer than 
I can count on my fingers...!!!
  
 Whats any need for teaching in OOo (ok there some quirks, but they can be as 
well as be tips), Evolution, XMMS (???!?!?!), and xine (you gotta be a video 
codec junkie to swallow some concepts like video interlacing and FPS drop rate).
  
 In the same spirit of GNU/Linux, the system is by hackers for hackers... There 
is no place for spoon feeding, any query can be cleared, but be sure you have 
done yout homework!!
  
  
  Regards (no offence to anyone),
  
  Mahesh Aravind.
  
  --
  PS: Although why would anyone want  something like OOo when they've got 
Emacs, TeX and dvipdf?
  
  
  
  
"M.Balakrishna Pillai" <mbpillai at asianetindia.com> wrote:  hi all

Any body interested in teachig GNU/Linux desktop applications like
web browsers, evolution, Openoffice, xmms, xine etc, and ofcourse free
and open source software concepts.  Present location Ernakulam. 


With regards
M.Balakrishna Pillai


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