I was wondering how our govt buys cars. ? Will they say we need 50 Amabassador cars or will they say we need 50 cars with 2000 CC engine, 4 wheels, one spair , seating capacity of 5, minimum mileage of 12Km per hour etc and then invite a competitive bid ?
Kenney Jacob FaceBook <http://www.facebook.com/kenneyjacob> Twitter<http://twitter.com/kenneyjacob> Blog <http://www.kenneyjacob.com> Company <http://www.ayruz.com> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Praseed Pai <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All , > > > > > >I don't agree with views of praseed pai. > > > I respect that . > > > > >The problems like vendor lock-in and others are much more headache > > than the mere convenience. > > > Every Govt. due to protocol ( Current state of the art or "Vyavasthidhi" ) > bindings on it , > has to go for competitive bidding. In Such a scenario , only deep pocketed > companies can go for the bid. Every company has got a tool chain combination > for it's Billing solution. (Oracle and Pro * C used to be the combination , > now Java has entered the scene ) So , asking them to use Free Software > (exclusively ) is equivalent to re-write of their existing application code > base. Then , a definite time frame cannot be stipulated. > > I do not think any company will be able to bid and make a margin out this. > So , participation of private companies using FOSS is less probable. > > > > > >I think there are companies, who had done much more than this using > >free software alone. > > > > Most of the Big Enterprise software requires a semi compiled ( JITed ) > language based platform like Java or .NET . They require army of focused > programmers to ship the code with 20%-30% slippage in time (on an average ). > To get all these combination right , along with the economics ( "the goddess > of all constraints" ) is a tough ask. > > > Anish's point about Vendor lock-in is a significant one. At this point of > time , due to above factors nothing cannot be done. > > The Ideal scenario is > > a ) Let the KSEB appoint some Management Consulting Company to have an Open > Specification on the System requirement. > > b) Based on this , They can invite competitive bids . Let them, get it > implemented by the most compettitive bidder ( and hope they can deliver ! ) > > c) A FOSS project around this can be started to realize an alternate > implementation. If that is robust enough , let us hope some company will use > that as a base to the next version of the product. > > > Some time back , there was great interest in a Agile development tool ( > which has already got a running implementation using .NET stack ) based on > FOSS platform here. A proposal was mooted here by a senior guy and lot of > people did show interest in it . I did not hear anything about that after > that. Let that be a start for the above kind of initiatives. > > I think , KSEB billing software can be classified as "Private Software" ( > Of course for a Public sector utility company ) , so what is wrong in using > Proprietary tools ? > > > One more suggestion , Let FSF know about this and they might be able to > find somewhere in the world such a solution exists . I think , Brazil , > Germany or Venezula might be the place to look for . ( Billing software can > be domain independent. I know of an instance were a Financial sector billing > solution getting customized for Utility application . By changing > Configuration and some pluggins) > > SunTec is a company who is into this business. They are the only > possibility in this scenario. > > > > regards > Praseed Pai > > > > > --- On *Sun, 11/7/10, Anish A <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Anish A <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Fwd: Another Attack to Free Software > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" < > [email protected]> > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 1:11 PM > > > I don't agree with views of praseed pai. > > The problems like vendor lock-in and others are much more headache > than the mere convenience. > > I think there are companies, who had done much more than this using > free software alone. > > 2010/11/7, R Satheesh > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > >: > > He has pointed the truth. I appreciate he revealed exact possiton of > FOSS > > adn > > Linux User Group Even my company needs ERP package for their use. Fist > we > > sought out the help of linux programmers. None can give us any guarantee > on > > time schedule and future support and at last we end-up buying > proprietary > > software. > > > > somebody has to take initiative and dedication to build a software firm > with > > some credibility otherwise it will be difficut to get support/orders from > > corporate houses. > > > > > > Regards, > > Satheesh > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Kenney Jacob > > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sat, 6 November, 2010 7:52:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Fwd: Another Attack to Free Software > > > > One area where we could have made a difference was the tender for data > > centers. > > But did not see anyone taking any interest in it. > > > > > > > > Kenney Jacob > > FaceBook Twitter Blog Company > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Praseed Pai > > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > Hi all , > >> > >> I think , some kind of politics between the UDF and LDF is the reason > >> behind > >>this criticism. > >> > >> > >>But , > >> > >>Let us ponder a bit deeper > >> > >>Is there any company exists in Kerala who can do a project of this > >> magnitude > >>using FOSS tools ? > >> > >>Only a deep pocketed company can bid for this and I doubt , any FOSS > based > >>company in kerala ( for that matter , India and probably in the whole > world > >> ) > >>is in a position to do this. Maximum strength I have seen is under > Hundred. > >> ( I > >>am counting on LAMP stack companies here. I do not know of any company > >>worth mentioning which specializes in Free Software alone . Most > companies > >> use > >>FOSS tools as a way to lessen the running cost ) > >> > >>Is there any way out ? > >> > >>Kerala Govt. Should spend hell lot of money to set up a Software company > , > >> Data > >>center and related infrastructure to have a FOSS based billing software > for > >> > >>KSEB. > >> > >> > >>But, When Govt. can get the work done through Compettitive billing , what > >> is the > >>point in taking that head ache. I do not think , any sane govt. will do > it. > >> > >>Can community help ? > >> > >>I have noticed a curious pattern in FOSS community in Kerala. Most of > them > >> are > >>System adminstrators specializing in GNU Linux tools. If there are > software > >> > >>professionals , they are freelancers who look for opportunistic work ! ( > >> Most of > >>them are too lazy to work in a team environment and on top of it , poor > >>communicators too ) > >> > >>For Enterprise Software , Java or the .NET is the obvious choice . So , > >> only a > >>company which specializes in it can build such a software. Let us throw > >> out > >>.NET out of the equation. I have seen FOSS enthusiast , I have seen Java > >>Enthusiast , I have not seen much FOSS JAVA enthusiasts! > >> > >>So , FOSS community cannot do anything here. Let the proprietory people > >> take the > >>initiative or let the status quo remain untill , we build a community of > >>programmers or some deep pocketed companies do this . > >> > >> > >>Here talk about Freedom , Licensing and other petty issues do not take us > >>forward. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>regards > >>Praseed Pai > >>http://praseedp.blogspot.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>--- On Sat, 11/6/10, Ranjith S > >><[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> > >> > >>>From: Ranjith S > >>><[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > > >>>Subject: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Fwd: Another Attack to Free Software > >>>To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > >>><[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>>, > [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> > >>>Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 6:15 AM > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Regards > >>> > >>>Ranjith Siji > >>>Walking Ants Technologies > >>>http://www.walkingants.com > >>>http://ranjith.zfs.in > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>From: Ranjith S > >>><[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > > >>>Date: 2010/11/6 > >>>Subject: Another Attack to Free Software > >>>To: > >>>[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://www.mathrubhumi.com/online/malayalam/news/story/604099/2010-11-06/kerala > > > >>> > >>>Kerala News - ബില്ലിങ് കമ്പ്യൂട്ടര്വത്കരണം: സ്വതന്ത്ര > >>> സോഫ്റ്റ്വെയറിനെതിരെ > >>>കെ.എസ്.ഇ.ബി എന്ജിനിയര് സംഘടന - India, World News - Mathrubhumi > Newspaper > >>> > >>>Edition > >>>Mathrubhumi,Malayalam Newspaper Edition Online,Kerala News - ബില്ലിങ് > >>>കമ്പ്യൂട്ടര്വത്കരണം: സ്വതന്ത്ര സോഫ്റ്റ്വെയറിനെതിരെ കെ.എസ്.ഇ.ബി > >>> എന്ജിനിയര് > >>>സംഘടന - India, World News > >>>Regards > >>> > >>>Ranjith Siji > >>>Walking Ants Technologies > >>>http://www.walkingants.com > >>>http://ranjith.zfs.in > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > >>>http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > >>> > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > >>>#[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > >>http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > >>http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > >>#[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Anish A > > http://identi.ca/aneeshnl > > *സ്വാതന്ത്ര്യം തന്നെയമൃതം സ്വാതന്ത്ര്യം തന്നെ ജീവിതം > പാരതന്ത്ര്യം മാനികള്ക്ക് മൃതിയെക്കാള് ഭയാനകം > *- മഹാകവി കുമാരനാശാന് > > _______________________________________________ > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > #[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > #[email protected] >
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