On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 00:13:44 -0500 Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> E.g. we could shut off email confirms altogether and force only web > confirmations. Or we could be more Majordomo-ish as JC describes. A base problem is barrier to entry: Barrier to entry for stupid software and barrier to entry for users who are uncomfortable with email systems (or who just don't understand them). While I don't want to target Mailman at 96yr old charming wee grandmothers who are still not quite sure about anything since Truman, it doesn't hurt to be friendly to them and the current JUST-REPLY-TO-THIS-MESSAGE confirmation is pretty grandmother friendly if you are going to retain a double-opt-in. Moving to the MD-like model I described gives significant extra opportunities for the non-technical grandmothers of the world to be confused, make errors, and in general not get the service they would like from Mailman. No, its not that the MD approach is terribly complex at the UI level, its that its at least an order of magnitude more complex than the current JUST-REPLY model. Think about it in terms of number of stupid/silly/dumb/oh-my-gawds-how-did-they-do-that things that a user could do in editing his reply down to the token versus the current just-hit-reply-and-send. I like grandmothers. I'd like them to like Mailman. I'd also like them not to be pissed off at Mailman because it throws stupid auto-responder messages at them. Suggest: Keep the just-hit-reply model, Accomplish this as follows: Put the token both in the Subject: and the beginning of the message. Search the reply message for the token in Subject: and the first N (N<10) lines of the message. The token has to exist in BOTH for the conformation to be successful. This puts an extra onus on the confirm message writers and translators: The token must be restated very close to the beginning of the message (probably within the first 4 lines). I think that's a fairly acceptable constraint. The 10 line limit should be enough padding to allow the translators some slack, to adapt to grody MIME/HTML wrapping, but to not pick up stupid auto responders which bounce messages back with a leading prefix/vacation/comment. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers
