On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:44:41PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 7/16/02 9:49 PM, "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can document your policies, and the person who wants to sign up can > > decide whether they can deal. > > I don't think that's always good enough. You have to do what you can to back > the policies up. Unless, of course, your policy is "you're screwed if you > post to my list, and good luck stopping the spammers". Which is, > effectively, what "make the owner of the mailbox handle it" does as a > policy. Although I doubt you'd phrase it quite that way...
I was on 14 mailing list for 6 years; I saw no appreciable amount of spam *at all*... > Heh. Wanna guarantee messages get bounced all over the place? Just use the > "V" word in an email. You know which one I mean. You'll set off alarms all > over the universe. It's more fun than running through a parking lot seeing > which cars have movement detectors on the alarms. Not that, um, I do that, > you know. <grin> > > Yeah. I keep forgetting that not everyone has spent 17 years on > > Usenet. > > Newbie. I can still remember the month that I ceased to be able to read *the entire feed*. I'm not *that* much of a newbie; though, admittedly, B2.9 is about the oldest news system I had to deal with. > > But that brings us almost immediately around to "why use email to do a > > Usenet's job"... which *LOTS* of mailing lists are doing, frankly. > > Because usenet is so broke none of us even think of fixing it any more? People tell me that all the time. I use slrn... and I don't see it, much. > I love to say "if all you have his a hammer, everything is a nail". In this > case, email is our hammer, and mail lists aren't always appropriate for > hammering, but have you seen what those idiots did to our screwdriver? I > ain't picking that up, not without tongs and a blowtorch. Perhaps I'm lucky, perhaps I'm blind... > > You've jumped ship before. So have I. > > Hell, I turned jumping ship into an art form. I know; I saw the website. :-) > In my heyday, usenet people > set their clocks by it. Well, maybe their calendars. :-) > I finally grew up, too, and learned to both manage my stress levels and > accept my responsibilities. I construed jumping ship *as* doing those things. > > They'll learn, eventually. > > Not that I've noticed. Well, stupidity is supposed to be expensive. And painful. > >> We're working on that (a quiet voice whispers: "but a f---ing mac already! > >> It has unix inside for all you geeks, too!") > > > > <roar> > > Heh. A unix box with a pretty damn good gui, in a lap top so you can carry > it anywhere, for about a grand. Effing wow. :-) > > My sister runs a page that's always in the top 3 on Google in her > > keyword, on a user-named account on Mind-link. Been there over 6 years > > now. She's had a pseudo-bogus address in her POP3 domain buried in a > > mailto: on there for over a year. > > > > *One* piece of spam. > > I am amazed. I have just +hacked the mailto that is in *my* weblog as the comment address. We'll see what happens. I'm not all that important, but... > > She's not exactly a low profile target. > > > > You, OTOH, are. How well "hidden" were your honeypot machines? > > "plaidworks.com" is likely not a low-profile domain, neither. > > You flatter me. I think. Maybe. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 "If you don't have a dream; how're you gonna have a dream come true?" -- Captain Sensible, The Damned (from South Pacific's "Happy Talk") _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers
