On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 02:22, Brad Knowles wrote: > While we're at it, can we update the documentation so that we can > deprecate FAQ entries 5.8 and 5.12? It sure would be nice to not > have so many people asking about support questions with Mailman 2.1.5 > using older versions of Python, or MTAs that don't implement VERP.
As to 5.8 and 4.42, I do consider the fact that Mailman 2.1.5 breaks under older Python's a bug that should be fixed in 2.1.6 (and was fixed in CVS very early on). Mailman 2.1.x should still run under Python 2.1. I do however /recommend/ using Python 2.3. As for 5.12, I think it's an oversight on my part that the bounce probe feature requires VERP support in the MTA. I would like to see the probe become optional in 2.1.6 so that if you do not have VERP, Mailman will process bounces in the 2.1.4 way (i.e. not send a probe). I don't know if that's feasible or even desirable -- how much pain is it for mailman-users that VERP is required? From 5.12, it sounds like those using Mailman in some hosting arrangements are prevented from upgrading because of this. That's unfortunate. > Also, if we're going to require VERP support on the MTA with > 2.1.5 and beyond, can we go ahead and turn on "VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = > Yes" in mm_cfg.py, so that we can also eliminate all the questions > regarding the funky subject lines which led to FAQ 4.52? /Should/ we require VERP? My preference would be "no". > On a separate matter, the way that full personalization works is > really, really annoying. When enabling this on lists I manage, I've > gotten more complaints than on all other items combined on those same > lists. Can you provide more detail about those complaints? What don't people like about it? The only difference between "personalized" messages and "fully personalized" messages is the To header, so if they don't like that, you shouldn't fully personalize the messages. -Barry
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