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Hi Clytie,
This was extremely helpful, thanks! I've captured this on the wiki:
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Pootle+primer
Just a couple of comments.
DOWNLOADING
The Pootle docs (Docs and Help link, or [3]) contain everything you
need to know about Pootle, so please read them. However, I'll go on
with a summary here.
You can download your translation file(s) at any time from your
Pootle project directory. Look for the "Zip Archive" link at the top
of the page, to download a whole directory of files, or for the "PO
format" link next to each file (when you've clicked on Show Editing
Functions), to download a single file. As you can see, you can
download your file in different formats.
Ah, downloading was buried on the Show Editing Functions page. I knew
I had to be missing it!
Barry, if you want to download all the PO files at once, you're
better off downloading them from bzr. Pootle splits the files into
language-projects.
When you say "download from bzr", I'm not sure what you mean. Does
Pootle's bzr integration actually publish its own branches? If so,
that would be very cool!
Ideally, I'd like for the translators to just do their thing, without
regard to Mailman's release cycle. (In practice though, we should
give them a heads up of course.) When we're ready to release we Push
A Button to grab all the current translations and package them up into
whatever form we need. We can probably automate it all, screen
scraping if we have to (though that sucks), but if we had access to
those files through bzr, that would rock.
If possible, I'm sure we could set up a fake user on Launchpad for
Pootle to push branches to, say once per day. That would also be very
cool because then we wouldn't have to fear for Cristobal's machine
crashing.
UPLOADING
If you have upload rights, each directory will include a file
selection field and button in the top right-hand corner of the page.
You can choose to Merge or Overwrite files. Unless your Pootle
server is overloaded, you should use Merge, to avoid overwriting
changes that have occurred since you downloaded your file. The
changes are processed immediately: you can start editing that merged
file as soon as you have uploaded it.
Barry, I strongly suggest we keep the most current files on Pootle
(Mailman 3.0?), even for testing. We can upload all the different
branches, as well, but our translation effort is best spent working
on the current files.
Agreed. I really want to split the translations out of the main tree
anyway, so I'm happy if they live on the Pootle server, or even
better, on Launchpad. As part of our release process, we can grab and
combine everything.
BACKUP
Pootle is just a part of your workflow: please backup your work!
Although Pootle does backup its day's work, it doesn't backup every
single string as soon as you enter it. This would take up too much
of its resources. So it's always wise to download your file or
directory when you finish your editing session. That way, you have a
local copy of your changes. You can take that away, and edit it
offline, then merge it back up to Pootle again, later.
Does Pootle back the files up off-site? See the push-to-Launchpad idea.
Firstly, please read the introductory docs and try out the
interface. If you have further questions, you're welcome to ask them
here.
One other thing I think we need to be careful of. I've been sadly too
lax about this in the past, but we can do better now. Let's make sure
that any translator we give permission to has signed the necessary
papers with the FSF.
http://translationproject.org/html/whydisclaim.html
If a translator has already disclaimed their translations, they'll be
listed on this page:
http://translationproject.org/html/authors.html
I'll urge all Mailman translators to go ahead and send the disclaimer
form now.
Cheers,
- -Barry
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