On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 8:21 PM Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 7/31/25 04:29, Stephan Krinetzki wrote:
> >
> > /opt/mailman/var/queue/out:
> > total 2868
> > drwxrwx---  2 mailman mailman    4096 Jul 31 13:26 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman     165 Jun 27  2024 ..
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman  221708 Jul 30 13:16
> 1753874180.0845337+0cc7849043859a79dc3678a0d8b63c1c66df0c66.pck.tmp
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman  733425 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912841.8847518+da55f8789ae41b75d19a02b595e3fd6d45983ade.pck.tmp
>
> These indicate a problem of some sort. .pck.tmp files should only exist
> for a fraction of a second. See
>
> https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/core/switchboard.py?ref_type=heads#L136-L142
>
> What does `mailman qfile report for these? Are they the missing messages?
>
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   17758 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.0481033+6adf966467266567275f1146f5054c95e4365c13.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   31122 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.1064982+b1f502e2af56b9b11680135c6de5fcc5285d967e.bak
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   12945 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.1562705+a88534cfa9b03012c248ac00cbb54f4fc08c8dcc.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman 1407634 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.2598634+96e501d7aa8e72fbb9f9a5c953d48fc2c7db2bc7.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   17570 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.3654013+d693065f2b9a2338f887d3ac9c0669c957131100.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   60624 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.4132354+8998ee9eb9a8a99faf1fcf045d604e669f5d0c9e.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman    7361 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.413462+50dcef9bb178f54ecb2d4707ccfe02773f92336c.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   84848 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.4464717+17836b8875aa6643f7e5fb0744e72940ce5603c6.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   18003 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.4929028+17e9c78a2721cbc344124c6e04a129217ea6c794.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   66982 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.5228019+4ef59e61c6a79dd4cdee6d1110fb0582fcfafb6c.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman  221723 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.5756643+6de90ae99b3d528ce5234b78a287e19f7b6686fc.pck
>
>
> Also, this is a lot of outgoing messages to be queued. Are you sending
> periodic digests at this time? If you normally see a lot of messages in
> the out queue, you might consider setting it's `instances` to 2 or 4. E.g.,
> ```
> [runner.out]
> instances: 4
> ```
> in mailman.cfg
>
> > /opt/mailman/var/queue/shunt:
> > total 3304
> > drwxrwx---  2 mailman mailman    4096 Jul 31 11:44 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman     165 Jun 27  2024 ..
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman     451 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912822.2651796+28eceef7e18eb70393377b88dc7117af8f9362a0.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman     490 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912838.4197352+ea531cf0262c1faa58b1679b907fee92bc16822c.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman 1407870 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912841.9177196+ccea15bdefce3a54301281c8eddf86e8230244a6.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   86108 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912841.9197443+7dcef4febc71e44c6d9309a24a08b08753e1ff42.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman 1407668 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912841.9849963+a3f1869b750060c97262ece38737480d91652828.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   38992 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912860.5167956+940584c4f361cbd8c29e390b2f60590558effe40.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman     440 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912860.6972685+635c065bac8dff5f9d562275d707001d773b84c1.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman     445 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912868.7903054+befa066f254d7a3529a8555a6c942a554715d837.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   33494 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912878.7562895+82b724fd93260ab9a2bb49709d3a42a2f32f2c80.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman  217073 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912878.9337828+de73a65d9c6febfa80275853921f4b53fd1d9e2a.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   85888 Jul 31 00:02
> 1753912950.303359+8a87bce0be63ac1df8493c6b1ad6ae154fcedba7.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   50244 Jul 31 00:02
> 1753912950.4970112+d44d493912bb3024547b8a5112f86f035dcb352f.pck
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman   12887 Jul 31 00:02
> 1753912970.038427+31bcbd7fb2ebdf81f6de24b7283b50bcda6ded21.pck.tmp
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman     443 Jul 31 11:44
> 1753955094.900898+67bc76525412da66a7c76363f65f583989716305.pck
> >
> > /opt/mailman/var/queue/virgin:
> > total 32
> > drwxrwx---  2 mailman mailman    81 Jul 31 13:17 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman   165 Jun 27  2024 ..
> > -rw-rw----  1 mailman mailman 32013 Jan 11  2025
> 1736550035.6163204+472f81ece5e45a2651a4499bef418f611b43c619.pck.tmp
> >
> > Nothing special there (shunt should be checked, but not in correlation
> with my mail).
>
>
> Actually those .pck.tmp files indicate some issue.
>
> > I have one list which archives the mail. In the archive there is the
> mail, but it doesn't get deliverd
>
> Which says the pipeline to_archive handler is adding the message to the
> archive queue and the archive runner is handling it, so presumably the
> pipeline to_outgoing handler is adding the message to the out queue, so
> the issue is in the outging runner.
>

In one response, he mentioned that "Other mailinglists on the same host are
doing fine. Even a 1:1 copy of the list works - only the original list does
not work".
Does it mean that "the issue is in the outgoing runner" only for a single
list?


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