I'm sure this is a configuration problem somewhere but, I managed to get everything working nicely though there were a few steps that weren't in the book. $prefix is /home/mailman, and my Apache server says Group=nobody. So I tried ./configure --with-ownergroup=mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody But this failed to send mail, with a log in qmail saying it expected 509 (nofiles) got 512 (mailman). So I tried ./configure --with-ownergroup=mailman --with-mail-gid=nofiles --with-cgi-gid=nobody This works after doing two things that feel unnatural. First, since the configure and make are being done sudo, all the files under $prefix have owner root. So I chown -R mailman . in the mailman directory. Ok, now I can create a list, send a subscribe from the web interface, and get confirm request. But when I reply to the confirm request, nothing happens. I tried list_members and I get Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/list_members", line 141, in ? main() File "bin/list_members", line 115, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db' I look at config.db and its ownership has switched back to 'nobody'. If I chown it and re-send my confirmation, everything works and the list manages fine. But the next subscribe request hoses it again. I feel close -- what's the secret? -Mike Michael Deck Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users