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From: Richard Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003  5:45:27  pm Europe/London
To: "Chinn, Hindy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names


On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 05:18 pm, Chinn, Hindy wrote:


Thanx for your reply..

So why wouldn't these listnames work?

Alumni-hbispring03
Alumnihbispr03


There is no reason why, with a standard MM installation, that these two mailing list names will not work.


To try and confirm this I have just created and sent messages through two lists with these names on my test system. This server is running Suse Linux 7.3, Sendmail 8.11.6 and MM 2.1.2

When you say the list names did not work what do you mean. How does the 'not working-ness' manifest itself.

The problem is probably not inherently a Mailman one but maybe your MTA is imposing restrictions of some sort.

What type and version of OS. MTA and Mailman are your running?

But this did...
Alumhbis03

hindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:15 PM
To: Chinn, Hindy
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names



On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 04:33 pm, Chinn, Hindy wrote:


What are the do's and don'ts of list names? Limit number of characters? Can there be spaces, dashes, underscores in name?



I am not aware of any explicit length limits but I wouldn't write an
essay in a list. Long list names can be inconvenient for users to type
when posting etc

Mail list names have to function as valid mail aliases, as a directory
name and as part of file names in the server's file system so you have
several  constraints to consider.

To complicate life, there is a set of mail aliases associated with any
given list; for instance for the list called 'testlist' the menagerie
is.

testlist
testlist-admin
testlist-bounces
testlist-confirm
testlist-join
testlist-leave
testlist-owner
testlist-request
testlist-subscribe
testlist-unsubscribe
owner-testlist

You want to avoid like the plague having a list whose base list name
ends/begins with any of the suffices/prefixes. This will cause problems
for instance if one list's -admin alias is another list's base name!


Although mail aliases are notionally case sensitive, that way lies
insanity, and few MTAs will distinguish mail aliases that are
differentiated by case alone. Mailman treats all list names as case
insensitive and the directory/file names associated with a list in the
file system and in MM's web GUI interface URI's exclusively use the
lower-case version version of the list name.

Various characters other than a-zA-Z0-9 are entirely legal in mail
aliases but will cause grief when used in file names. In some case they
may also break code that decomposes mail aliases in a simple-minded,
maybe even incompetent, way. There is little point in exploring the
outer-reaches of such code's capability unless you are a masochist.


I would suggest you stick to a-zA-Z0-9 and hyphen as characters in list
names.


Thanx
hindy



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