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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Unwanted headers in mail body (W. van Eis)
2. RE: wrapper script run as nogroup (Jeremy Gilbert)
3. Re: wrapper script run as nogroup (Todd)
4. Re: wrapper script run as nogroup (Todd)
5. Mailing List Defaults (Merle Reine)
6. Re: Mailing List Defaults (Jon Carnes)
7. only one member in web interface (Brett Dikeman)
8. transfer mailman to a new server (Ako Ito)
9. RE: wrapper script run as nogroup (Jeremy Gilbert)
10. Managing Newsletters with large number of contributors?
(Uwe Gaertner)
11. http/https and archives. (Chris Johnson)
12. wanting to see web interface for mailman (Sandra J. Wald)
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body
Once agian.. somebody ??
> HI,
>
> I'm new to this list. Hope you can help me out.
>
> I'm running a mail list through a ISP, so i'm not the owner of the server
> and don't have acces to the Mailman host.
> But i've the following question; Some of our users recieve mails with
> complete headers in the body and the original message is messed up. And
> there's now sender visable. Could anyone tell me how to solve this
problem?
> I don't happens all the time on al the messages, but it's very irritating.
>
> Every help would be greatfull...
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Wop
>
> Running mailist on : www.verenigdestaten.info ( dutch site )
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Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
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> Your interpretation is not quite correct.
>
> When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman
wrapper
> checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it
> expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script
with the
> mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman
> wrapper as
> the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure.
>
> The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman
mail
> delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the
> process running
> it to have.
>
> The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid
nogroup
> when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the
> gid mailman.
> If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat Postfix, has
to
> execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not be what you
want.
>
Okay, great. I'm not sure about your explanation, but when I
changed all the aliases and aliases.db files on my system to
mailman:mailman ownership, everything is finally working. By your
explanation, Postfix must be running as gid mailman now.
Thanks for the help, everyone. Should this be added to the
documentation somewhere? I can usually find anything using the
documentation, but I really don't think this information is in the
documentation or FAQ anywhere.
Thanks again,
Jeremy Gilbert
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
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Richard Barrett wrote:
> On 24 Nov 2003, at 17:25, Todd wrote:
>> What are the perms on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman? Postfix
>> should be executing the script as whatever group the wrapper has.
>
> Your interpretation is not quite correct.
>
> When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman wrapper
> checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it
> expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script with
> the mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman
> wrapper as the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure.
>
> The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman mail
> delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the process
> running it to have.
>
> The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid
> nogroup when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the
> gid mailman. If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat
> Postfix, has to execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not
> be what you want.
The OP said that the error he was getting indicated that Postfix was
running the wrapper as nogroup, when mailman was expecting it to be
run as group mailman. I didn't think there was anything really to
configure with Postfix in this regard. I believed that it executed
with the group that the wrapper had, which his permissions showed was
group mailman.
Am I missing something here? Does Postfix 2.0 behave differently in
this regard?
I did just notice Jeremy's follow-up that he changed the group on the
aliases files and that did the trick. I was thinking that postfix
would run the wrapper as the group of the wrapper, but instead it runs
them as the group of the aliases file I guess. Perhaps one of the
posfix gurus can jump in if that's wrong.
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
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Jeremy Gilbert wrote:
> Okay, great. I'm not sure about your explanation, but when I
> changed all the aliases and aliases.db files on my system to
> mailman:mailman ownership, everything is finally working. By your
> explanation, Postfix must be running as gid mailman now.
>
> Thanks for the help, everyone. Should this be added to the
> documentation somewhere? I can usually find anything using the
> documentation, but I really don't think this information is in the
> documentation or FAQ anywhere.
Well, README.POSTFIX does say this:
Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db
file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is
`mailman'. E.g.:
% su
% chown mailman:mailman data/aliases*
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Defaults
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Hello, all.
I have around 300 mailing lists and more going up all the time. For each
list I setup, I have to setup some defaults for our company such as
listadmin, do not send pass reminders, digest options, etc.
My question is, is there a way to set my particular defaults to be the
defaults for a newlist creation? So when I create a new list, all the
settings that I usually have to go into and change for each and every list
would already be there?
I have created a custom admin page with just a simple text box with
"Create List". this way, only I can get to this page and to add a list, I
simply type in the name and hit submit to create the list. If I could get
it to have all the defaults I normally have to change and have them setup
by default, it would make for no hassle management.
If anyone knows where the defaults are stored for a list creation, or how
to change all of the defaults, please let me know.
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On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 17:50, Merle Reine wrote:
> Hello, all.
>
> I have around 300 mailing lists and more going up all the time. For
> each list I setup, I have to setup some defaults for our company such as
> listadmin, do not send pass reminders, digest options, etc.
>
> My question is, is there a way to set my particular defaults to be the
> defaults for a newlist creation? So when I create a new list, all the
> settings that I usually have to go into and change for each and every
> list would already be there?
>
> I have created a custom admin page with just a simple text box with
> "Create List". this way, only I can get to this page and to add a list,
> I simply type in the name and hit submit to create the list. If I could
> get it to have all the defaults I normally have to change and have them
> setup by default, it would make for no hassle management.
>
> If anyone knows where the defaults are stored for a list creation, or
> how to change all of the defaults, please let me know.
>
Most of these can be set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (look in
Defaults.py and copy over the settings you want to change as your list
defaults).
Jon Carnes
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] only one member in web interface
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On our larger lists(1000 people), we only see one address listed in the
web UI, instead of the usual 25 or so per page that we used to see in 2.0;
some lists 5 or so, others more like 10 or 15. Very inconsistent. Is
this normal? If so, very annoying. The smaller lists seem fine...
Brett
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] transfer mailman to a new server
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anyone have successfuly transferred/migrated a working mailman server to a
new server.. what steps do i need to undertake to successfully migrate
it.. thanks
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Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
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> Well, README.POSTFIX does say this:
>
> Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and
data/aliases.db
> file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files
is
> `mailman'. E.g.:
>
> % su
> % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases*
Yes, I saw that, and I followed those instructions, but until I
changed the ownership of /etc/aliases and /etc/postfix/aliases*
the wrapper was still being run as gid "nogroup". I think the
documentation should be changed to also recommend change those
files to group ownership of mailman.
Jeremy Gilbert
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing Newsletters with large number of
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Hi everybody,
I'm managing a group of mailman-newsletters each with a large number of
contributors. In order to grant write-access to the lists only to the
contributors all members are set to 'moderated' by default and the
moderated-flag is
disabled manually for the contributors if they are also subscribers to the
list
(which is the default case).
Here is my question: Is there an easy way to manage the 'moderated'-flag -
e.g. via a list of e-mail-addresses - so that the uncomfortable manual process
can be avoided?
Any help is ver much appreciated!
Uwe Gaertner
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Hi,
These are probably questions previously answered by I haven't found
answers to them.
First, is there a way to make the Web interface work with secure
web, i.e. https, rather than http? We want the passwds to be ecrypted
at least. I know what to in Apache but is there anything in Mailman
that needs to be changed to have it generate https for its Web pages.
Second, I want to move some Majordomo lists to Mailman. Is there
a way to transfer the archives to mailman archives. Documentation
seems a bit scarce.
Help apprecitated. Many thanks.
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Hello,
Do you have a demo or screen shots for mailman listowner?
sincerely,
Sandra
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