I'm looking at this again and I have more thoughts/questions.

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>Anne Ramey wrote:
>>
>>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>> Anne Ramey wrote:

<snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>A temporary error occured while delivering to the following address(es):
>>>>>
>>>>>  <pfenno at ncees.org>: 454 TLS not available, must be connected via TCP
>>>>>

<snip>

>>> 
>>> Are you saying the list is <pfenno at ncees.org> and replyers received
>>> that bounce instead of the reply going to the list? 


You didn't really answer. Is <pfenno at ncees.org> the list or perhaps
a list member or?


<snip>

>>  Did the bounces all come from the same MTA? which one?
>>I think they must have come from the ncees.org mta, but I don't see the 
>>corresponding messages in the logs.


I don't think so. The message appears to have originated from an MTA
that was trying to deliver to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was unable to
establish an SMTP session. If there's anything in the logs at
ncees.org it would only be a connection refusal.

I think we still need more information.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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