Great. I don't have any log access. At 22:41 11/3/2005, you wrote: >Jared Rimer wrote: > > > > I don't understand this bounce message. Which one of these > >addresses are bouncing? It disabled the owner again as you'll > >see. I'll be looking for responses. Thanks. > > >I'm snipping a lot of stuff out, but Here's what is happening (I >think). A list post is sent to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and it >bounces because <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> does not accept mail from >addresses not in her address book. In order for the post to be >accepted, some address, maybe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (the >From:) or maybe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (the envelope >sender) has to be in her address book. Maybe only a specific one will >work or maybe either one would work. In any case, that's beside the >point here. > >The bounce is returned to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as it >should be, but the bounce processor doesn't recognize the format so it >tries to forward the unrecognized bounce to the list owner ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. >Now at this point I'm unsure, but it looks like Mailman's SMTP >delivery queued the message directly as a bounce as it will if it gets >a failure directly from the outgoing MTA. > >The outgoing message then gets queued as a bounce for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. BounceRunner claims to recognize >this case, but I'm not clear on exactly how it scores this for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, but it appears that it does. This >happens enough times to disable the member and the disable gets sent >from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and envelope sender ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and it ultimately is delivered to ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who is apparently an owner. > >Here's the final bounce action notification saying ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has been disabled. > > >>X-Persona: <tagline account> > >>Received: (qmail 10256 invoked by uid 89); 4 Nov 2005 03:22:39 -0000 > >>Received: from idea5.anoeticconcepts.com (70.86.162.170) > >> by 0 with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 03:22:39 -0000 > >>Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=idea5.anoeticconcepts.com) > >> by idea5.anoeticconcepts.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) > >> id 1EXs9x-00020H-CN > >> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:22:33 -0600 > >>Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=idea5.anoeticconcepts.com) > >> by idea5.anoeticconcepts.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) > >> id 1EXs9w-000208-4M > >> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 > 21:22:32 -0600 > >>Subject: Bounce action notification > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0904254664==" > >>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:22:31 -0600 > >>Precedence: bulk > >>X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 > >>List-Id: <woodlake_el_school_wbby.us.wbby.us> > >>X-List-Administrivia: yes > >>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it > >>with any abuse report > >>X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com > >>X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - tagline.cc > >>X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] > >>X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com > >>X-Source: > >>X-Source-Args: > >>X-Source-Dir: > >>X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on > wmailapp7-l3.webley > >>X-Spam-Level: > >>X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME > >> autolearn=no version=3.0.3 > >> > >>This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice: > >> > >> List: Woodlake_el_school > >> Member: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Action: Subscription disabled. > >> Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. > >> > >> > >> > >>The triggering bounce notice is attached below. > >> > >>Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >This is the attached, triggering bounce, which was apparently queued >directly as a bounce during attempted delivery because there are no >received headers. It is a typical Uncaught bounce notification that >for some reason was itself undeliverable at the Mailman to Exim stage. >To see why, you need to look at Exim logs or Mailman's smtp-failure >log for entries around Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:08:53 -0600. > > > >>Subject: Uncaught bounce notification > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0800201456==" > >>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:08:53 -0600 > >>Precedence: bulk > >>X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 > >>List-Id: <woodlake_el_school_wbby.us.wbby.us> > >>X-List-Administrivia: yes > >>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce > >>format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted > >>from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all > >>unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). > >The rest of this message including attached bounce is snipped. > >Why is this message undeliverable to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >when the disable notice is delivered successfully to the same address? >The logs will say for sure, but what I see is the envelope sender is >different. Here it is <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (a virtual domain) and >in the disable notice it is ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (the main host domain?). >Perhaps Exim is configured in such a way that it doesn't accept mail >from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, although it does accept mail from ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as evidenced by the original post. > >You need to see the log entries to know for sure what the problem is. > >-- >Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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