I added the + sign, restarted the apache server and still got the same errors 
in the borwser and apache log: "Permission denied: access to /mailman/listinfo 
denied".  

I'm running gentoo (not SELinux) on this server, while my experience is with 
debian.  A choice made by others, I'm afraid.  So in the mean time, I'm 
groping.  I just took a quick scan at the suEXEC docs on the apache2 site.  But 
I have no previous familiarity with it.  Nor am I sure how I might determine if 
apache was compiled with it.  Looking at my configuration files with grep 
suEXEC -R /etc/apache2/* yielded an empty result set.  

As an experiment, I'll try the advise for suEXEC.  If it doesn't get me 
anywhere, I'll back it out.  

-- Hugh 

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:52:37 -0800
Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hugh Esco wrote:
> >
> >The apache error log for mumble still says:  
> >
> >     [Tue Dec 20 13:29:44 2005] [error] [client nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn] 
> >             (13)Permission denied: access to /mailman/listinfo denied
> 
> 
> So apparently, adding
> 
>    <Directory /u/m/mumble/mailman/cgi-bin/>
>      Options ExecCGI
>      SetHandler cgi-script
>    </Directory>
> 
> didn't fix it. I would have added "Options +ExecCGI", but that probably
> won't help either.
> 
> The "403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an
> ErrorDocument" seems to say there is something wrong with this virtual
> host. Are you by any chance using suEXEC with this virtual host? Are
> you running SELinux?
> 
> If suEXEC, see
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.017.htp>
> 
> 
> >Your answer about using a single user for every instance of mailman didn't 
> >indicate if I was actually going overboard by creating instance specific 
> >users for each installation.  I have paired up user1 with mumble1, user2 
> >with mumble2, etc., as an added security barrier and to protect users and 
> >their archives from one another.  Will it run this way?  Is that necessary?  
> 
> 
> Yes, it will run that way. If you don't need the ability to have the
> same list name on separate hosts, then this is probably overkill. if
> you're asking is having a separate user per Mailman instance overkill
> vs. having multiple, distinct instances all with the same user, having
> separate users would allow giving the actual virtual host clients more
> control over/visibility into their own Mailman without allowing them
> to impact others. This may be useful. The alternative protection is to
> have restrictive enough permissions so the individual virtual host
> users don't have shell access to their Mailman at all.
> 
> 
> >If I use a single source directory, yet install in multiple installation 
> >directories, each serving its own vhost, can two instances share a listname 
> >so I can have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and another at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Yes, and that is the major reason for doing it this way. If you don't
> need this ability, you can probably do just fine with a single mailman
> instance with Mailman's virtual host support.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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