Excellent .. Thanks guys .. good and informative responses. LDB
Christopher Adams wrote: > Mostly, I agree with Mark on this. You really have to balance what > individual list owners want, how individual lists operate, and the fact that > you may host/administer so many lists that the best choice is the same for > all. > > We host over 500 lists. Originally, the default was to 'Hold' messages from > non-members. This might include subscribers who's address had changed or > individuals who thought they were on the list. This is where we needed to > reevaluate the situation. Many list owners are busy and don't want to > continually take action on posts from non-members. However, many list owners > also don't want messages from 'non-members' to be automatically discarded. > > Our solution was to make the default to 'Reject', but send a message to the > sender, indicating that their message was rejected because either they are > not a member or their address has changed. One problem with this solution is > that the option for multiple languages becomes a bit of an issue. > > On 7/23/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>David Gibbs wrote: >> >> >>>Lawrence Bowie wrote: >>> >>>>I have been rejecting messages from non-members but I am >>>>not sure that is the best practice. Is it better to "discard" >>>>rather than "reject" non-members messages? >>> >>>It depends on the message ... if the message is topical, then I reject >>>the message indicating that to post a person must be subscribed, and if >>>they are subscribed, then they might be posting from a different email >>>address. >>> >>>If the message isn't topical, then I just discard it (for which the >>>'discard all messages marked as deferred' check box is a boon), as those >>>are usually just spam. >> >> >>So you have generic_nonmember_action set to 'Hold', and you (or a >>moderator) make a decision on each post. >> >>I think Lawrence is asking a different question, namely, should >>generic_nonmember_action be 'reject' or 'discard'? >> >>This is a controversial question, and the answer really depends on the >>list. The 'good' answer is that spam should be filtered out ahead of >>Mailman. Then Mailman and the list owner don't have to worry about >>'blowback' and spam forwarding issues, but this solution isn't always >>available. >> >>If you have spam reaching Mailman, it is clearly best to discard the >>spam without sending any kind of 'reply'. Note that holding and then >>discarding the message only does this if respond_to_post_requests is >>set to 'No'. Otherwise, by the time the moderator sees the message, a >>hold notification reply has already been sent. >> >>Unfortunately, once the post gets to Mailman, Mailman applies the >>generic_nonmember_action in every case. I think we all agree that for >>spam (if it gets this far), this should be discard, but there are >>lists for which this is not appropriate if the message is not spam. >> >>In the past, Brad has posted examples to this list of situations where >>silently discarding an attempted post has caused significant problems >>for the non-member who thought the post had been received. >> >>In short, this is a list specific decision. Is your list one where you >>have non-members attempting to post? What are the consequences if that >>post is discarded without notice? How do these balance with spam >>blowback/forwarding considerations to the extent that spam gets this >>far? >> >>-- >>Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, >>San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users@python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>Unsubscribe: >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adamsca%40gmail.com >> >>Security Policy: >>http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
