John Wesley Simpson Hibbs wrote: >Our mailing lists had been processing bounces correctly for quite some >time. > >For some reason though, this has stopped functioning properly.
Did you just upgrade to Mailman 2.1.11? >Bounces were coming back to list-bounces+XXXX, and are now coming back >to list-bounces, without the XXXX. The difference is Mailman's VERP >The setting "Should Mailman perform automatic bounce processing?" is set >to yes. > >Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > >john > >What I am getting now: > [Bounce of a Password reminder snipped.] Is it only password reminders that you are seeing as unrecognized bounces? There are two things going on now. The password reminder wasn't VERP'd because this is controlled by VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS which is a separate setting in mm_cfg.py from those that control VERPing of list messages. In 2.1.11, the VERPing of the password reminder wouldn't matter because of two things: 1) Password reminders don't come from a regular list. Since reminders may be for more that one list when the address is subscribed to more than one list, the reminder is sent from the site list (this is not new in 2.1.11). 2) Site list bounces are handled differently in 2.1.11. In the past, if something from the site list bounced, at least in some cases it was handled as an ordinary bounce of a message from the site list. In most cases, these bounces were bounces of password reminders, and the remindee is not a member of the site list anyway, so the bounce, if recognized, would be ignored. The 2.1.11 change is to forward all site list bounces to the site list owner without even trying to recognize them. However, upon looking closer, I see that this probably isn't what's going on here, because the forward to the site list owner as above is not wrapped in an "unrecognized bounce" message. I tried running that message through the current recognizers, and it is recognized, so now it looks to me as if: 1) you have an older Mailman that doesn't recognize that particular bounce, and 2) You have not set "VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes" in mm_cfg.py. Actually, It is a good thing you saw this unrecognized bounce. Had it been recognized, it would have been ignored as the user probably isn't a member of the site list. What happens in these cases is a list member sets delivery off for some reason and then forgets about the list. Then the address dies and the only mail to the address is the monthly password reminder which even if it bounces and is recognized, never removes the dead address from the list of which it is a member. -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
