Mark, thanks for your suggestions.
Am/On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:18:57 -0700 schrieb/wrote Mark Sapiro: >Matthias Schmidt wrote: >> >>I just subscribed after fiddeling around for a day with mailman on >>Leopard (Mac OS 10.5.6 Server on a G4 PPC dual). > > >And it's probably a good idea to look at the FAQ and list archives >before posting :) I did so, but somehow the most important information found here: <http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030530> slipped through my attention. imho it would be a good idea to included that information from above in the documentation which comes with the download package. Anyway I found and read the mails from Larry Stone, but there was nothing in it, I didn't know already. > > >>After looking a bit on mailman, I just decided to download the last >>version and try to install it. >>That looked actually good, but the startup daemon plist doesn't like the >>new mailman meal I just cooked. >> >>I was running configure like this: >>sudo ./configure --prefix=/usr/share/mailman --with-username=_mailman -- >>with-groupname=_mailman --with-mail-gid=_mailman --with-cgi-gid=_www -- >>with-cgi-ext=.cgi >> >>and with with-mail-gid=_postfix >> >>in both cases I get these errors: >> >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: File "/usr/share/ >>mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 548, in <module> >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: main() >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: File "/usr/share/ >>mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 430, in main >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: kids = >>start_all_runners() >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: File "/usr/share/ >>mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 268, in start_all_runners >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: pid = >>start_runner(qrname, slice, count) >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: File "/usr/share/ >>mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 246, in start_runner >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: pid = os.fork() >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: OSError: [Errno 35] >>Resource temporarily unavailable >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: Starting Mailman's >>master qrunner. >>Apr 7 12:03:35 mymac com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl): >>Throttling respawn: Will start in 8 seconds >>Apr 7 12:03:44 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31394]: Starting Mailman's >>master qrunner. >>Apr 7 12:03:44 mymac com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl[31394]): >>Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 31395 PPID 1 Python >>Apr 7 12:03:44 mymac com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl): >>Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds >> >>so obviously I'm missing something.... > > >See thae FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/O4A9> and posts linked >therefrom which may help. I was aware that Apple changed those pathes, therefore I changed them in my configure as well. But I was not aware, that Apple used its own binary package - they do so with postfix as well, which I found out the hard way ;-) The whole interface Apple provides for administrating mailman is not only minimalistic, but useless if one wants to do a bit more. Apple's GUI makes simple things more simple, but a bit more complicated things even more complicated. >>also what I'm a bit confused, I find 2 data folders: >>one in the mailman folder: /usr/share/mailman >>and another one in the var folder: /var/mailman >> >>what's the difference? > > >/usr/share/mailman is from your configure and make install. anything >else is from Apple's pre installed Mailman. As Sebastian suggests, >there are probably conflicts. and that was actually my question. /usr/share/mailman is the place Apple thinks mailman has to go to and I just wanted to "to rip out everything they've got and install your own copy from the official Mailman source", so my question was, what else do I have to set to do so. I was also asking myself, what the other directory in /var/ does and how do I set the path for it correctly in the configure. On the end I will either keep the version installed by Apple or install everything in a separate directory, so that I keep control over things. This exercise I did mainly to understand better, what's going on with mailman, because I never used it before (but LetterRip in the old days ;-) cheers, Matthias p.s. try a google search on Leopard and mailman ... every list message about Leopard is going to pop up :-D ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9