John Fitzsimons wrote: >On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:18:53 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>They are telling you that there is a Gmane address which is a member of >>your list that is how gmane receives messages posted to your list. > >Well, I know that that is how it is meant to work BUT the post I asked >about shows a "from" address like [email protected] . My mailing >list doesn't have anyone with that address on it.
We are not talking here about the From: header in the message. See below. >>When someone posts to your list on Gmane, Gmane sends that post to >>your list with the envelope sender (SMTP MAIL FROM address) equal to >>the Gmane address that's a member of your list. > >That doesn't appear to be happening. Again, see below. [...] >>It is not clear to me whether this post was held as a post from a >>moderated member or just went to the list. > >He/she doesn't appear to be a member at all. Yes, but what happened to the post? Did it go directly to the list or was it held for moderator action for some reason? If the latter, for what reason? >>If it just went to the list >>and you want it to be held, just set the mod flag on the subscribed >>Gmane address and it will be held as a post from a moderated member. > >It doesn't appear to be a subscribed address. I'm talking about the Gmane address that is subscribed to your list, not some address that happened to be in the From: header of the particular message. [...] >The problem is that this is on a hosted site so I cannot change the >main Mailman files. OK. >IF I understand things correctly you/Gmane seem to be saying that >somewhere in the envelope header is the address of someone on my list. >Not necessarily in the 'from', 'reply-to', 'sender' areas. > >Is that correct ? Yes. >In any case what does "envelope header" mean ? Does it mean in the >sender's header in areas other than 'from', 'reply-to', 'sender' ? Imagine for a moment that you are sending a letter by postal mail. The letter is typed on your stationery which has your name and address at the top, and you type the recipient's name and address and the date below that, and then type your message. Your name and address on the paper are analogous to the From: header in an email message. The recipient's name and address and the date on the paper are analogous to the To: and Date: headers in an email message, and the message that you type following these is analogous to the body of an email message. The other headers you may see at the top of an email message are not analogous to things in this paper mail example, but they aren't what we're talking about. The paper letter and the email message are analogous in another way. Neither of them go anywhere until you put them in an envelope and mail them. Just as in the paper postal mail case, the email is sent "in" an envelope and the envelope has a recipient address which may or may not be the same as the To: address in the message and a from or return address which may or may not be the same as the From: address in the message. In the email case, this return address is called the envelope sender. What I and Gmane are telling you is that the envelope sender address is the Gmane address that is a member of your list. As a user or admin of your list, you don't see the envelope that the message came in, you only see the message. If the message should be held for approval, the moderator may see the envelope sender reflected in a Return-Path: header in the admindb moderator interface, but generally, by the time the message is delivered to the list members, any envelope information from the original, incoming message is gone because the message is put in a new envelope to be delivered to the list members. >In any case it looks like changing things in the SENDER_HEADERS in >mm_cfg.py will enable me to better restrict posters to those on my >"registered" posters list and/or make it so that posters have to put >their "approved" address in eg. the 'from', 'reply-to', 'sender' >slots, so to speak. > >So can I make this change via my GUI in Windows XP ? No, you can't make that change through the Mailman web UI. What you need to do is go to the web admin Membership List pages for your list and find the Gmane address that is a member of your list and make sure its "mod" box is checked. That way, any "non-member" posts from Gmane, regardless of who they are From: should be held for moderation and you can accept them or not as you see fit. You said in your original post that your list was "moderated". What does that mean to you? Does it mean all the member's "mod" boxes are checked and Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> default_member_moderation is set to Yes so that new members are also have their mod boxes checked by default, or does it mean something else? Also, what do you mean by "registered" posters? Is this just the list membership, or is it something else? If I knew exactly, I might be able to suggest other things. -- Mark Sapiro <[email protected]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. 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