On 03/23/2015 04:06 PM, Al Black wrote: > > I spent a few hours yesterday thinking about a "cleaner" to improve the > signal noise for the kind of posts were talking about. Not a simple problem > to solve (well for me anyway).
It's a very hard problem. You can see some of my attempts at this at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/MoreHolds.py>. A version of the rejectquote.txt template used by this script is at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/rejectquote.txt> This handler is currently installed on my production site with the parameters as in the URL above, which in particular means RATIO is set to zero so no posts are held or rejected for excessive quoting. (The other holds are for no Subject:, digest Subject: or quoting of digest boilerplate.) The calculation of quoted_count and unquoted_count and addition of same to the decoration-data is still done so that one can put something like Experimental software on this Mailman installation thinks this post contained %(unquoted_count)s characters of new/original text and %(quoted_count)s characters of text quoted/included from prior list posts. ________________________________________ Into a list's msg_header (or footer) to try to educate people, but only one test list on my site has such. For my first attempt at actually doing this in production, I think RATIO was set to 4 and REJECT_QUOTES was False (actually not implemented yet). The idea was I could hold some messages and edit them before bouncing them back to the list, and people might learn to do better. I soon decided this was putting all the burden on me and users had little motivation to change, so I implemented REJECT_QUOTES and set it True. The end result is at least some people wanted to top post and quote the entire message to which they were replying and they would go to extra trouble to edit the quoted material so I wouldn't recognize it as such or just paste in garbage to lower the ratio of quoted to unquoted. I.e. they spent more time and effort trying to bypass the rule than it would take to just do the right thing. My main production list is the general discussion list for my cycling club. In the end, the club asked me to stop trying and I complied. A few people did learn and change their style, but some of those have since reverted. Another interesting (to me at least) is the way in which convention and MUA design operates with relatively non-technical folks. I almost always reply to any email by interleaving my replies within whatever bits of quoted material I leave in the message as necessary to establish context. I've had friends say to me "I really like the way you reply to emails. How do you do that?" -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org