Ok, so maybe this has to do with the setup.  The list is for a club who has
shared hosting for web and email at HostRocket for wort.org.  The list was
always hosted somewhere else.  They were having some other issues and I
migrated the list to my server, davidtodd.info.

All the wort.org emails (even the list ones) are on the HostRocket server
and they forward to the same address with a davidtodd.info domain.  So
wort-ow...@wort.org is at HostRocket and forwards to
wort-ow...@davidtodd.info where the list is actually hosted.  When users
post to the list, they send to w...@wort.org, which forwards to
w...@davidtodd.info...and on and on.

Users have no issues posting to the list and sending an email to
wort-ow...@wort.org (which forwards) works.  An email to wort-ad...@wort.org
successfully results in a bounce.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 09/10/2015 08:17 AM, DT wrote:
> >
> > Test emails to -owner work internally from postfix and when sent
> externally
> > from gmail.
>
>
> OK.
>
>
> > Here's a link to all the log file snippets from the time of the subscribe
> > request:
> > https://gist.github.com/dmofot/c367151ba262f476c2c6
> >
> > Any ideas where to start troubleshooting this issue?
>
>
> There are things missing, perhaps because they didn't happen or because
> you didn't include them. Here's what I see and what I expect.
>
>
> Your smtp log:
> Sep 09 14:41:45 2015 (7788) <mailman.0.1441824103.9593.w...@wort.org>
> smtp to wort for 1 recips, completed in 0.052 seconds
>
> This is the notice being sent to wort-owner. There should be a
> subsequent entry with the same message-id for 'n' recips where n is the
> total number of owners and moderators. That is the delivery of the
> message from wort-owner to the owners and moderators.
>
> log :: mail.log
>
> ...
> Sep  9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/pickup[9566]: 79FF9C0727: uid=1001
> from=<wort-boun...@wort.org>
> Sep  9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/cleanup[9597]: 79FF9C0727:
> message-id=<mailman.0.1441824103.9593.w...@wort.org>
> Sep  9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signing table
> match for 'wort-ow...@wort.org'
> Sep  9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signature data
> Sep  9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727:
> from=<wort-boun...@wort.org>, size=1492, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Sep  9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/smtp[9602]: 79FF9C0727:
> to=<wort-ow...@wort.org>,
> relay=mailroom5.hostrocket.com[66.147.229.200]:25, delay=6.2,
> delays=0.02/0.01/5.4/0.73, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK
> id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm)
> Sep  9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: removed
>
>
> The above is the delivery of the message to wort-owner. It should be
> delivered to a pipe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman wort owner" to get
> to mailman, not relayed to mailroom5.hostrocket.com. This may explain
> the issue, but then how does mail simply sent to wort-owner work?
>
>
> log :: error
>
>
> You apparently have enabled smtplib debugging as in the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/4030716>, but this tells us nothing new that we
> don't already see in the smtp and mail.log logs.
>
>
> log :: syslog
>
> And likewise syslog
>
> Bottom line - If you are showing everything, the notice to wort-owner is
> being relayed to mailroom5.hostrocket.com and never gets to Mailman for
> delivery to the actual owner and moderator addresses.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
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