On 9/17/20 2:27 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 14:15 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote:
Absolutely not. I'm intrigued by the idea of mailman-core (1/3 of mm3)
with a lightweight web-based GUI in front of it. But, to date, that
doesn't exist. I also don't see the need for a db and api with a MLM,
but I do see value in those things.
No just a need for a 15 year out-dated user interface and a MLM that
requires an EOL version of Python. Otherwise Mailman 3 can behave in the
same manner as Mailman 2. The installation of Mailman 3 takes an hour.
That includes OS, web server, database, MTA and python 3. All of the
complexity you continue to gripe about is, to use your word, fud.
That's just FUD. Don't take offense because I haven't taken you up on
your mm3 work around(s). I have mm3 installs, but they are not what my
users want.
There it is again. A use of a word meant to imply something negative.
Affinity and Empathy are not "workarounds". They are modern interfaces
that I developed because I host MANY list owners with all kinds of
requirements. I also wanted something to set apart myself from other
potential competitors. I am still using Postorius and Hyperkitty to for
Mailman 3 hosting clients. They are still fine to work with.
So your users don't want to use a MLM that works just like Mailman 2?
Mailman 3 can just be that but the potential to be more is there, a
potential that Mailman 2 does not have.
Again, you're the guy who had to pay someone else to make 2/3rds of
Mailman 3 work for you.
Again a disingenuous remark. You pull the same bs with Stephen all the
time. Mailman 3 works fine apart from Affinity/Empathy. I accomplished a
bold marketing and brand move with those two applications. You wouldn't
understand that. I am no longer on the same playing field with budget
hosts. I have set my company apart from them. Why because Mailman 3 gave
me the ability to do that. Mailman 2 did not.
My "custom scripts" are cron+bash scripts to send monthly mailman
reports out to admins. Hardly anything that can't be re-worked anywhere
else, but why?
Then why bring them up as a reason to not use MM3?
Please let Simon know I can install Mailman 3 and migrate his list to
Mailman 3 within a day.
I won't be your salesman.
Yet you have been in the past. Jimmy, did I offend you???
I hope you one day see how ridiculous that sounds as an elevator pitch.
Not anymore ridiculous as your proposals to work harder to keep an EOL
MLM application alive when its replacement is alive and well.
--
Brian Carpenter
Harmonylists.com
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