I use mailmate with my personal (vanilla IMAP) account and my work email
that is google apps for business. They both seem the same.
I don't have ANY issues with gmail, but I have pretty basic labeling.
Basically I treat them like folders, but I do have some server side
rules that result in mail getting multiple labels and I don't see any
issues.
I get email on time without delays which is what I wasn't getting with
mail.app...
I do bounce to the web client to make filters/labels and occasionally
for the port 80/443 when outbound SMTP is blocked by whatever client
site network I am on.
Jon
On 16 May 2014, at 3:41, Gary Hull wrote:
If you have a lot of legacy e-mail in a Gmail account, then I
certainly understand that MailMate support for Gmail labels would be
helpful. But it sounds like you recently moved to Gmail. In that case,
make sure that you take a close look at MailMate's smart mailboxes, at
at tags.
For instance, I used labels on Gmail for messages related to a
particular business line. But in MailMate I'm able to cover that with
an (admittedly super complex) smart mailbox that doesn't take any
maintenance on my part. (The mailbox picks up on e-mail domains,
names, keywords in the mail body, etc.) (In a worst case scenario, if
a few things fall through the cracks, you can pick them up in the
smart mailbox by adding an ANY ... tag = [___] in there at the end of
the conditions and manually apply tags.
Tags are pretty much labels, but they don't map back and forth to
Gmail. After getting things set up, however, you really never need to
log into the Gmail web interface. It's a nice web app, but in theory
you've made the decision to go with a Mac-side client, perhaps because
you have a bunch of different accounts to track. So in that case, who
cares if the Gmail app doesn't show the tags as labels if you're not
using the web app?
(A question I just thought of: Are MailMate tags transferred up to
IMAP servers and then down again to, for instance, another MailMate
installation on another Macintosh? To non-MailMate IMAP clients?)
On 16 May 2014, at 18:38, Alasdair Muckart wrote:
Thanks Gary,
I completely understand the design decisions behind MailMate, and
Google's strange not-quite-IMAP implementation. The reality though is
that Gmail (and GIMAP) actually work *really* well, and recent
comments made me wonder if there was more label-compatibility coming
in MM.
On 16 May 2014 at 8:13:44 pm, Gary Hull ([email protected]) wrote:
My impression is that MailMate doesn't deal well with Gmail by
design,
and there's no plan to natively support Gmail. MailMate is a
standards-based e-mail client that follows the various IMAP RFCs.
Gmail
uses an undocumented proprietary fork/hack of IMAP ("GIMAP").
There's
only one developer for MailMate, and he has to prioritize. In
addition,
Google could change things at any time and break MailMate, and given
the
rumors that the results of the Sparrow acquisition are about to bear
fruit, it seems like it's in Google's interest to "encourage" Gmail
users to migrate to Google's own PC-side client, rather than use
other
clients, so if, oops!, stuff "accidentally" starts to break in other
clients that try to support GIMAP, hey, that's the way the cookie
crumbles.
However, in the MailMate documentation there are hacks given for
those
who must use Gmail, the first of which is "Don't use labels," the
second
of which is "If you do you use labels use one and only one label for
every each and every e-mail," and the third of which is "If you must
use
labels as tags and put more than one on each e-mail, get used to a
lot
of duplicated e-mails, because GIMAP presents labels as separate
folders
to connecting IMAP clients."
On 16 May 2014, at 16:28, Alasdair Muckart wrote:
Hi all,
For various reasons I've had to migrate all of my email out of the
'normal' (courier) IMAP server I was using over to Google (apps for
business).
The current documentation seems to indicate that MM still doesn't
deal
too well with Gmail and labels, and with my current setup I really
need the labels in Gmail.
For the moment I'm using Airmail which is nice and fast and seems
to
handle gmails quirks Ok, but doesn't locally cache mail and is
having
some issues actually finding all 270-odd thousand messages I have.
I'd very much like to keep using MailMate, so I'm interested in
what
the options are for setting it up with Gmail in a way that'll allow
me
to keep my label setup.
Thanks.
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lawful prey." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900.
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