I also don't know how VIP works, but below is a fairly straightforward
way to implement smart mailboxes that single out specific users
flexibly. It is not based on contacts or addresses explicitly, but on
the contents of the mailbox. The system works like this:
The first time I receive an email from a member of group X (e.g., VIP),
I file it manually in a mailbox X - a traditional mailbox is some
location. I set up rules so that if an incoming email is from a sender
in mailbox X, the message automatically goes in there, gets tagged,
flagged, etc. No need to maintain rules that cite actual addresses. I
imagine, this can certainly be made to emulate some VIP behavior.
Here's a riff on the same solution solution:
1. Set up an IMAP mailbox - call it MB1. Put a single message in there
from each user you consider a VIP.
2. Set up a smart mailbox (MB2), that matches all emails from users that
are also in MB1.
3. If you need incoming messages from MB1 users to *not* show up in the
regular INBOX, set up an inbox rule that matches incoming emails to
senders in MB1. You can tag messages as "VIP", move them, or whatever.
(If you tag them, you can also just create a smart mailbox that matches
the "VIP" tag.
The advantage in having a small IMAP mailbox with a single message from
each user is that they are very easy to manage. This is like an internal
address group and equally flexible. the only downside is that it isn't
integrated with Contacts. But if the people in MB1 match the people in
your VIP list, the smart mailbox should emulate the behavior of the VIP
box.
BUT NOTE: To me, failure to integrate with "Contacts" is actually a
bonus. I am a college professor, and I deal with emails from hundreds of
students per year, divided into distinct several "boxes", corresponding
to courses. I certainly do not want these addresses in my contacts. This
system lets me make automatically sort their email very simply, and then
I just destroy the lists (by removing MB1, or MB2, etc.) when I'm done
with the course.
Best,
Zvi
On 6 Dec 2014, at 7:00, Robert Garcia wrote:
The experiment you did with apple mail and syncing, was next on my
list to try. I will do some research and see if I can find some api to
get at VIP data stored in the cloud.
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Robert Garcia
BigHead Technology
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Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 fax: 530.645.4040
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On 5 Dec 2014, at 23:55, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
On 5 Dec 2014, at 19:23, Robert Garcia wrote:
I manage several clients and our own mail server for all of them. I
have moved myself and several of my largest clients off of gmail
(gapps) email and onto our own mail server, zarafa, which has been
working fine. Most of us use macs and have been using Airmail as the
client, which works pretty well with Gmail. Airmail 2 came out and
it has tons of issues and takes up tons of CPU, etc. Also has bugs
with Zarafa.
I don't really know Zarafa and I don't know if MailMate has any
issues with it, but you can let me know if anything turns up.
Mailmate would not win a beauty contest, but it works great. I felt
it was sluggish and piggy, like apple mail, then I found the latest
64 bit version. Wow, so smooth, nice, doesn't use much cpu, that
made everything better.
Well that's good news for the 64 bit version. Thanks.
Before I recommend this to the rest of my family and clients,
though, I am struggling with one issue. How to make some type of
smart folder with VIP users? We all user our iPhones and iPads and
use VIP, and when your desktop client doesn't comply, it makes it
tough. It is probably the only single feature that pulls me back to
apple mail.
Any thoughts?
To be honest I haven't really looked into how Apple Mail implements
VIPs. For MailMate to support it, 2 things need to be possible:
* MailMate should be able to retrieve VIP addresses from Contacts.
* MailMate should be able to enable/disable the VIP status of a
contact.
The first one is probably more important to you than the second one.
MailMate is actually quite badly integrated with Contacts since it's
not possible to do queries (smart mailboxes and rules) based on
groups in Contacts. This is a relatively high priority and a frequent
request, but I cannot give you a time frame. It would be natural to
look into VIP compatability at the same time.
A quick search does not reveal an official API to access this
information, but I might not have looked hard enough. It also looks
like it's an Apple Mail feature and if synchronization requires Apple
Mail to be running then there is no way to hack VIP compatibility :-(
Ok, quick experiment. I used Apple Mail to mark a VIP sender. This
showed up in the following file:
~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/VIPSenders.plist
I quit Apple Mail, logged into iCloud webmail, and removed the VIP
sender. I waited a while to see if the change was synchronized to the
file above. This did not happen. I then launched Apple Mail and the
file was immediately updated. Unless I missed something then that is
bad news for the potential future of full VIP compatibility — not
even as a horrible hack.
--
Benny
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