On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:26, Bill Cole wrote:

On 10 Dec 2017, at 21:14 (-0500), Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

My suspicion is that the problem has to do with very large directories on APFS file systems

This would be shocking. One of the rationales for APFS existing is that the HFS foundation was played out for dealing with large directories efficiently. I haven't looked into the details (life is short...) but if APFS is *worse* than HFS{+,X} with large directories then Apple is in a worse state than I had thought...

Yah. I have no other explanation, though. To give a current example, on a machine -- an old one, to be sure -- a Time Machine backup started almost 10 hours ago. It's dumped 77.5 MB -- out of a total of 152.7 MB -- in that time, and it's been at about 77 MB for the last ~7-8 hours. At some point, though, it will pass the expensive point and run at a reasonable rate. This dump is to a directly connected USB 2.0 drive. And the CPU is about 96% idle, according to 'top'.

Btw: by "big", I mean that I have one mailbox with 114K messages; the directory itself is 3.6 MB. No other mailbox is more than half that size, though I have four that are over 1 MB.

I'm not hearing of problems like mine from anyone else, though. The best suggestion thus far is by Patrik, who suggested excluding Messages from dumps, but Benny suggests that that's problematic. I may try it for a few days just to see if it helps; if it does, it would nail down the immediate cause.


        --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb


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