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Today's Topics:
1. More MailMate woes (Randall Meadows)
2. Re: How is spam filteirng working with detection is
disabled?! (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
3. Re: Cannot manually Apply Rules (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
4. Re: More MailMate woes (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
5. Re: More MailMate woes (Randall Meadows)
6. Re: More MailMate woes (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:36:54 -0600
From: "Randall Meadows" <randy.mead...@not-pc.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: [MlMt] More MailMate woes
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After the SpamSieve drone fiasco I mentioned yesterday, I'm not so
sure
I am as much at fault as I thought; I'm happy to be proven wrong, if I
can figure out what's going on.
Said SpamSieve drone was a completely new installation, so I don't
think
it has anything to do with "leftover" data. But what was happening
was,
just about all messages were ending up in my Spam mailbox, even
messages
I get regularly from senders that I've been getting for years with no
problem.
I investigated further today, and every messages in the Spam mailbox
had
these headers (inserted by DreamHost's anti-spam service, which I am
unable to disable):
X-VR-STATUS:
X-VR-SCORE:
X-VR-SPAMCAUSE:
The values varied, of course, but the one constant was, every message
that had a non-zero X-VR-SCORE (which was most of them, like 90+%) was
moved to the spam mailbox. Now, after disabling the drone, I'm
getting
all the messages filtered (locally) into the correct mailboxes, but
still all those non-zero scored messages have the yellow header with
[Mark as Not Junk] [ Load Once] [ Move to Junk]
buttons.
I can only assume that MailMate is heeding these X-VR-* headers and
considering every message with a non-zero score as "spammy", yielding
the yellow banner and buttons. Is this correct?
If so...has there been a recent change in MM that might affect this?
(I
can't recall when I last updated, but this issue "coincidentally"
started after my aforementioned SpamSieve drone problem, but since
I've
now eliminated SpamSieve from the equation, now I I'm sure what to
think.
I'm about to completely nuke my MM installation and start from
scratch,
just in case I've mucked up something unbeknownst to me, so if anyone
has ideas that can save me from that pain, I'd appreciate it!
randy
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:13:30 +0200
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] How is spam filteirng working with detection is
disabled?!
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On 20 Sep 2018, at 22:23, Randall Meadows wrote:
On 20 Sep 2018, at 14:20, Randall Meadows wrote:
On 20 Sep 2018, at 3:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
Within MailMate the only two ways are the SpamSieve-integration or
mailbox rules. If you don't use SpamSieve then try sending me the
following file (off list):
/Users/<username>/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist
Here ya go.
You have a lot of rules in different mailboxes, but I don't see
anything
moving emails to mailboxes named something like spam or junk.
Well, crap...that's what I get for multi-tasking and not paying
attention. Hope there's no sensitive data in there... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think anyone would care much about the data in the file. The
biggest problem is that some email addresses might be scraped by some
spam-address-collecting robot, but I suspect they would skip `.plist`
files.
--
Benny
https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:15:32 +0200
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] Cannot manually Apply Rules
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On 20 Sep 2018, at 22:24, Randall Meadows wrote:
On 20 Sep 2018, at 3:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
It actually appears that the messages in question are *duplicated*
in the INBOX and their "real" mailbox (BTW, this is the Smart
"Unread" mailbox I'm talking about here).
That does look very strange. Does it persist if you relaunch
MailMate?
If it doesn't, can you reproduce the problem by, e.g., moving a
single message back into your Inbox?
A restart didn't help; it appeared the only thing that helped was
deleting the duplicate messages.
Ok, let me know if you are able to reproduce the generation of new
duplicates. (I checked your rules and you don't have any “Copy
Message” actions.)
--
Benny
https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:31:59 +0200
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] More MailMate woes
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On 20 Sep 2018, at 22:36, Randall Meadows wrote:
Said SpamSieve drone was a completely new installation, so I don't
think it has anything to do with "leftover" data. But what was
happening was, just about all messages were ending up in my Spam
mailbox, even messages I get regularly from senders that I've been
getting for years with no problem.
I investigated further today, and every messages in the Spam mailbox
had these headers (inserted by DreamHost's anti-spam service, which I
am unable to disable):
It sounds like the most likely explanation for emails being moved to
spam is DreamHost:
https://discussion.dreamhost.com/t/how-do-i-disable-the-anti-spam-filter/63746/32
X-VR-STATUS:
X-VR-SCORE:
X-VR-SPAMCAUSE:
MailMate does not use these headers for anything. But you could use
them
in rules if you like, e.g., to do something like this:
Condition: X-VR-Status is “Whitelisted”
Action: Set Keyword “Not Junk”
See further below for why that might be useful. For the record, I have
no idea how to get something on the whitelist on DreamHost.
The headers above are described by DreamHost
[here](https://help.dreamhost.com/hc/en-us/articles/215686647-Technical-details-on-how-Anti-spam-filters-work).
The values varied, of course, but the one constant was, every message
that had a non-zero X-VR-SCORE (which was most of them, like 90+%)
was
moved to the spam mailbox. Now, after disabling the drone, I'm
getting all the messages filtered (locally) into the correct
mailboxes, but still all those non-zero scored messages have the
yellow header with
[Mark as Not Junk] [ Load Once] [ Move to Junk]
buttons.
I can only assume that MailMate is heeding these X-VR-* headers and
considering every message with a non-zero score as "spammy", yielding
the yellow banner and buttons. Is this correct?
No, MailMate isn't really telling you that it thinks the email is
junk.
It is telling you that the email contains external references (most
likely to images). This is the image blocking feature configured in
the
Security preferences pane. This is about email tracking which is not
only done by spammers. Nevertheless, a feature of this system is that
MailMate can be told to fetch images if the email has been explicitly
marked as “Not Junk”. In other words, an email has 3 junk-related
states: Unknown, Junk, Not Junk.
If so...has there been a recent change in MM that might affect this?
No, I don't think so.
(I can't recall when I last updated, but this issue "coincidentally"
started after my aforementioned SpamSieve drone problem, but since
I've now eliminated SpamSieve from the equation, now I I'm sure what
to think.
I'm about to completely nuke my MM installation and start from
scratch, just in case I've mucked up something unbeknownst to me, so
if anyone has ideas that can save me from that pain, I'd appreciate
it!
Don't do that. As far as I can tell the main problem is DreamHost
spam-filtering and maybe your image blocking settings in the Security
preferences pane (maybe you had this disabled in the past).
I hope this helps.
--
Benny
https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:40:42 -0600
From: "Randall Meadows" <randy.mead...@not-pc.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] More MailMate woes
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On 21 Sep 2018, at 2:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
On 20 Sep 2018, at 22:36, Randall Meadows wrote:
The values varied, of course, but the one constant was, every
message
that had a non-zero X-VR-SCORE (which was most of them, like 90+%)
was moved to the spam mailbox. Now, after disabling the drone, I'm
getting all the messages filtered (locally) into the correct
mailboxes, but still all those non-zero scored messages have the
yellow header with
[Mark as Not Junk] [ Load Once] [ Move to Junk]
buttons.
I can only assume that MailMate is heeding these X-VR-* headers and
considering every message with a non-zero score as "spammy",
yielding
the yellow banner and buttons. Is this correct?
No, MailMate isn't really telling you that it thinks the email is
junk. It is telling you that the email contains external references
(most likely to images). This is the image blocking feature
configured
in the Security preferences pane. This is about email tracking which
is not only done by spammers. Nevertheless, a feature of this system
is that MailMate can be told to fetch images if the email has been
explicitly marked as “Not Junk”. In other words, an email has 3
junk-related states: Unknown, Junk, Not Junk.
If so...has there been a recent change in MM that might affect this?
No, I don't think so.
(I can't recall when I last updated, but this issue "coincidentally"
started after my aforementioned SpamSieve drone problem, but since
I've now eliminated SpamSieve from the equation, now I I'm sure what
to think.
I'm about to completely nuke my MM installation and start from
scratch, just in case I've mucked up something unbeknownst to me, so
if anyone has ideas that can save me from that pain, I'd appreciate
it!
Don't do that. As far as I can tell the main problem is DreamHost
spam-filtering and maybe your image blocking settings in the Security
preferences pane (maybe you had this disabled in the past).
OK, I can live with the errant few messages going to my Spam mailbox;
I
can deal with that. But the yellow banner thing is REALLY annoying
me.
I really don't think I've changed anything in my MM settings recently,
but regardless, I can't now find a permutation of the settings that
gets
me back to the behavior I had just a few days ago, which was that most
messages did NOT have this banner, their content was fully loaded and
displayed. Now, I have to click on "Mark as Not Junk" for nearly
EVERY
message, including those types of messages and from senders that I've
been receiving from for YEARS and did not have to do this.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:06:21 +0200
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] More MailMate woes
Message-ID: <cbd32c81-9769-4849-9ab9-00cf83664...@freron.com>
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On 21 Sep 2018, at 15:40, Randall Meadows wrote:
OK, I can live with the errant few messages going to my Spam mailbox;
I can deal with that. But the yellow banner thing is REALLY annoying
me. I really don't think I've changed anything in my MM settings
recently, but regardless, I can't now find a permutation of the
settings that gets me back to the behavior I had just a few days ago,
which was that most messages did NOT have this banner, their content
was fully loaded and displayed. Now, I have to click on "Mark as Not
Junk" for nearly EVERY message, including those types of messages and
from senders that I've been receiving from for YEARS and did not have
to do this.
Your SpamSieve drone probably also marked the emails explicitly as
“Not Junk” and this would trigger MailMate to not show the banner
(with the default settings). (There's also a SpamSieve setting in
MailMate to do this for emails below a certain score.)
The simple solution is to disable image blocking in Security
preferences
pane. (It'll still be enabled for emails in the Junk folder.)
(A more advanced solution would require a smart mailbox which could be
used in the image blocking settings. It could, e.g., include all
emails
which have a From address which is not present in any recipient header
in your sent messages.)
--
Benny
https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
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