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Aloha,
Michael.
--
Michael J Wise | Microsoft | Spam Analysis | "Your Spam Specimen Has Been 
Processed." | Got the Junk Mail Reporting 
Tool<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ?

From: mailop [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Franck Martin
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 12:17 PM
To: Neil Schwartzman <[email protected]>
Cc: mailop <[email protected]>; Andreas Schamanek <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [mailop] Gmail throttles anyway

Neil,

it is even surprising it gets delivered at all...

It is rather funny that this mailing list, does not have SPF nor DKIM.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Neil Schwartzman 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
it may also be content. both franck’s and Andreas’ emails ended up in my gmail 
junk folder.


On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Franck Martin 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Have you considered that may be it is not postfix sending these emails from 
your IP?


On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Andreas Schamanek 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



We are not forwarding, we are not sending spam, in fact we are not
even sending bulk mail at all, still we get rate limited by Google.

Strangely enough, right since I verified my domain 
schamanek.net<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fschamanek.net%2f&data=01%7c01%7cmichael.wise%40microsoft.com%7c500b23e45a0640742b0708d32da17eca%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vdrvgo1TPo0CRsW02W4AUWxiyqEIUKw6xpptT0Tz8kQ%3d>
 for
postmaster.google.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpostmaster.google.com%2f&data=01%7c01%7cmichael.wise%40microsoft.com%7c500b23e45a0640742b0708d32da17eca%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=%2bUQr8%2fpbI7l6JImDYDH8sad9s%2fGHpRbmkxopCFDSUzM%3d>
 we get rate limited every few days. E.g.

  Feb  2 16:52:04 iac postfix/smtp[7719]: 1A9BB227: host
  
gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fgmail-smtp-in.l.google.com%2f&data=01%7c01%7cmichael.wise%40microsoft.com%7c500b23e45a0640742b0708d32da17eca%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=l4Zt1zCj59x%2bp8iIWl4VVz29OzGrP%2bJxpjVpC0x7ddo%3d>[173.194.65.27]
 said: 421-4.7.0
  [188.40.39.209      15] Our system has detected an unusual rate of
  421-4.7.0 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To
  protect our 421-4.7.0 users from spam, mail sent from your IP
  address has been temporarily 421-4.7.0 rate limited. Please visit
  421-4.7.0 
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fsupport.google.com%2fmail%2fanswer%2f81126&data=01%7c01%7cmichael.wise%40microsoft.com%7c500b23e45a0640742b0708d32da17eca%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=FJxAq3NfiDkLBQ6clfrRzIcnXE16pyS7GGQgdU9ss7w%3d>
 to review
  our Bulk Email 421 4.7.0 Senders Guidelines. r17si2803368wjw.232
  - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)

We are sending on average 15 messages per day to gmail addresses. Our
total outbound rate is 135/day. I wonder what Google considers an
"unusual rate of unsolicited mail". Apparently, zero qualifies, too!?

So, good luck to those who, just like me, have spam filters (of
course) and consider(ed) to add feedback loops, special headers,
change forwarding to fetching etc., it might not help.

--
-- Andreas

   :-/


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