On 15/06/2016 17:47, Gil Bahat via mailop wrote:
> If you are knowingly giving up all of netease mail (or SES mail in the other
> example), when you could have a very reasonable setup that doesn't do so, you
> are being indifferent and uncaring about your users' email needs. Your users
> will pay a price and netease will pay a price. the fact that a certain
> indicator suggests something is 99% spam, doesn't mean the 1% non-spam is not
> worth 'fighting' for. again, up to reasonable extents. working with a proper
> local PBL data file, which should weigh a few megs? you'd have to be google
> for that to really make a noticeable difference AND evidently google doesn't
> need to use regexps.
> I have a dream that one day senders will start implementing an RHSBL for
> users logging in to their service. once a recipient finds themselves
> blacklisted and their users refused service on big ecommerce sites due to
> unreasonable email ground rules and some of the heat senders receive will
> fall back at them, then we'll see some progress around that.
>
> Gil
I knowingly use what I know works, I'm not one of these gutless admins
that bends over for the minority and screws over the majority, I weigh
up both pros and cons, why should I risk adversely affecting 99% just to
make 0.0000001% happy? We pay no price at all, none of my former
employers did either, some of whom already used such rules and some I
introduced them to, a CEO once agreed with me that if 100 per 100K churn
away because they dont like our mail policies then thats an acceptable
figure, however we've had no en mass churns because of it, at any place
I've worked for, and I doubt the other places that implement it do
either.
It comes down to this, why should I make my networks more susceptible to
spammers because other networks cant follow normal practices, sure it
may not be written in an RFC, but this naming convention is standard
practice among ISP's for a very long time, at least in this part of the
world anyway, and I know in some parts of Europe as well.
I have NFI why you are pushing spamhaus, but why should I fork out tens
of thousands of dollars to do what I'm doing now for nothing, I'd rather
that money spent on giving some kid a job.
As I told another poster in this thread last night before I left, this
works for me, always has, dare say always will, nothing in this industry
that we do will be void of FP's, nothing, not even your precious PBL
which I'm sure has nailed innocents before and will again, and if anyone
reckons they have a zero FP solution, they are full of shit.
This thread seems to be going nowhere, I'm sure you'll reply with more
why I should use PBL and not my local rules, and i'll then repeat myself
as to why change what works for me... we are just going round in
circles, unless you have something new to discuss this will likely be
about the last of my contribs to this thread.
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