Is it not that the recipient domain has TLS enabled by default? On: no red
padlock. Off: open red padlock.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Phil Pennock <mail...@spodhuis.org> wrote:

> On 2017-02-02 at 08:45 -0700, Rob Nagler wrote:
> > I don't understand how Google determines when to put a red lock on the
> > compose. When I send to f...@bivio.com it gets a red lock, but to
> > f...@bivio.biz does not. They have different MXes. The MTAs are
> configured
> > identically except for that mta.bivio.biz also accepts authenticated
> SMTP
> > on 587. Both MTAs answer EHLO with STARTTLS. Any idea how to get rid of
> the
> > red lock on compose in the @bivio.com case?
>
> I don't work for Google so don't know about them for sure, but looking
> from the side: the .biz domain does not have a pre-banner delay, the
> .com domain has a very lengthy pre-banner delay.
>
> So you hold up clients pre-banner if not known-good, on the assumption
> that real clients in a store-and-forward system will wait; meanwhile
> Google presumably have some kind of prober to check status for less-seen
> domains and that needs to return in sufficient time to affect a
> user-interface.  Within any reasonable client, it can't see STARTTLS
> from your server, so marks it Red.
>
> Disable the pre-banner delay for hosts on whitelists, and make sure that
> Google's network ranges are on a sufficient whitelist to bypass the
> delays, even if not to bypass other filtering?
>
> -Phil
>
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