On 8 March 2018 at 00:08, Laura Atkins <la...@wordtothewise.com> wrote: > [...] > I don’t either, but I am not fighting language with folks.
I'm sorry Laura. My mother language is not english and your "tone" is unexpected to me, so I probably used wrong translations for my questions. No need to fight anything.. I'm just discussing in a list and trying to give and get back like I always do. > [...] > I have, and know other people who have, and again, this was discussed > earlier this month at M3AAWG. I'm not in M3AAWG, but I hoped that some info that can be shared in the M3AAWG could be anonymized and shared here too. If this is not the case, then ok, I just asked. Maybe someone else will feel to share something. > But, it’s kinda a big deal to call out stuff like this and while we’ve > called out blocking companies / blacklists in the past, I’m not in a > position where I think that will provide an overall benefit by making the > information public. It’s also not like I’m the only person who knows this. > > In one instance with a client, they were using one of the aforementioned > delivery monitoring companies and saw a “pristine trap" hit. They were able > to identify the specific address as the company provides the full text of > the message. They had recent (within a few weeks) click data from that > address and a purchase within a few months. OK so if I got it right then these "delivery monitoring" spamtraps are not really used by anyone but the delivery monitoring service itself. It helps the paying ESP/ISP to identify problematic senders in their network and they also need spamtraps for them.. maybe they have too few of them so they have been a bit "easy" introducing new domains to have more data to monetize. In this case either they had a bug, needs to better document how they create spamtraps or they are "abusing" their customers trust. We can agree that it is hard to define what can be a spamtrap and how many months are needed for them to become spamtraps, but I think we all agree that a valid/working inbox can't become a spam trap in a week. >> Can you give some hint about the spamtrap network? > > I did, in the original paragraph. OK, thank you. > [...] > I don’t keep that information around. I don’t want to know what traps are. I > don’t want to know what domains traps are using. Overall, I don’t want to > have that trail. I can’t reveal what I don’t record. When I do run into a > trap or set of traps or domains I just let it be forgotten. > > If that makes me untrustworthy to you, I totally understand. I’ve given you > no reason to believe me and here I am refusing to give you a reason or > examples. Even worse, I am making very logical arguments about why I may not > have kept said evidence. I get why you don’t believe and don’t want to > believe. The best I can hope for is you’ll keep an open mind and look > through your own data and test data you have to see if you can confirm it. No problem Laura, thank you anyway for you great contributions to this list! Stefano _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list email@example.com https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop