I had to use that MS form just a few days ago (a phishing coming from an 
authenticated O365 account) and didn't have the same experience ... actually I 
was even positively surprised they put recaptcha on their form (SNDS has a much 
more old-school captcha). 
Also, I don't recall ever seeing recaptcha expire, on any website. Sometimes it 
fails, but I don't recall it mentioning something expired. Did you validate it 
before filling in the long form? 

> With their budgets and size, don't we expect a little more resources devoted 
> to fast take downs and detections?
> Especially when it is so easy to detect
> [...]
> But what the real peeve off is, for all the hard working people in infosec, 
> when they can't get them shut down in a timely manner.

I guess it's not that easy. I mean, have an open form or contact method, and 
you'll get shipload of noise. So it can't be _that_ easy. But as you say, if 
it's too hard it becomes less efficient, as time counts to prevent bad things 
from happening.
So yes, when an educated anti-abuse fighter submits an abuse report, it's a 
godsend and it better be taken into account quickly. Identifying those good 
guys is one of the numerous challenges.

> Or do we have to wait for the politicians to get hacked, and have them start 
> handing out big fines to get this addressed.
Oh no, they'd be victims, you wouldn't want to ask victims to pay, would yah =)

--
Benjamin

-----Original Message-----
From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org> On Behalf Of Michael Hallager via 
mailop
Sent: dimanche 1 septembre 2019 04:25
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] Another example of why infosec people give up on 
reporting..

On 2019-09-01 07:31, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
> https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-us/engage/cars
> 
> By the time you finished filling all the fields out, and hit submit it 
> tells you the recaptcha has expired and to 'reload the page', and of 
> course with it all the information you just spent 10 minutes filling 
> in..
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Meh! just blacklist instead. ;)

Just like nstorage.org. After days of dictionary attacks by their IP's I 
reported it to them and never heard back. Oh well, I bet their IP's are blocked 
in lots of places now with an attitude like that.

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