> This will probably help Gmail understand the threat more, at the very
> least, if they haven't been watching for this already.
I hope that they will pay attention now that this is being exploited all
over the place. When I reported this a month ago, nothing happened.

> For all we know, when they parse this, they see the SPF pass, and don't
> check the later SPF fail, but given that they get a lot of forwarded
> email from banks etc, that their customers want, they probably have
> decided to allow this behavior.
Well, legitimate email forwarders are supposed to be properly configured
for that.

> You do have an argument that if you advertise a -all on the SPF record,
> you are expecting Gmail to reject it.
Exactly. That should be a strong signal that the message is not authorized
by the supposed sending domain.

> And of course, the IP itself. interesting that it is only on a couple of
> RBL's.. but Gmail should be able to note the volume of identical mail...
Spammers using these networks are probably focusing on exploiting Gmail
weakness and targeting their @gmail.com addresses specifically. That would
explain the lack of other RBL listings.

> But this should NOT affect the domain reputation IMHO, there may be
> other things that are affecting it.
Precisely!

> I would question why you choose to use a MAIL FROM, with a different
> domain than you use in the header from, eg
I think it's their VERP implementation.

[image: Sender] Edgar Vaitkevičius, founder / CEO
ed...@sender.net




On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 8:45 PM Michael Peddemors <mich...@linuxmagic.com>
wrote:

> This will probably help Gmail understand the threat more, at the very
> least, if they haven't been watching for this already.
>
> For all we know, when they parse this, they see the SPF pass, and don't
> check the later SPF fail, but given that they get a lot of forwarded
> email from banks etc, that their customers want, they probably have
> decided to allow this behavior.
>
> (And even you probably want your forwarded email to get to the customer)
>
> There are some curious things, eg ordering and placement of their trace
> headers above the Return-Path, and I won't talk about that..
>
> You do have an argument that if you advertise a -all on the SPF record,
> you are expecting Gmail to reject it.
>
> Also, you have an argument that Gmail should be stripping (and/or
> questioning) the fast there is an existing Return-Path header, which
> should be suspicious/stripped.
>
> And of course, the IP itself. interesting that it is only on a couple of
> RBL's.. but Gmail should be able to note the volume of identical mail...
> or this obvious forged relay attempt, but at this point (and yeah, it is
> the same attack vector that has been reported here and in other places
> over the last couple months) we should leave it to the Gmail folks to
> comment on..
>
> But this should NOT affect the domain reputation IMHO, there may be
> other things that are affecting it.
>
> I would question why you choose to use a MAIL FROM, with a different
> domain than you use in the header from, eg
>
> Return-Path:
> <bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com>
>
> vs
>
> From: "<clipped>" <no-re...@test.ascendbywix.com>
>
>
>
>
> On 2022-03-02 10:18 a.m., Edgaras | SENDER wrote:
> >  > Add just the headers from a single abuse email here on the thread..
> > Here you go, latest victim (Wix) abused by azeddinebenlarbi...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:azeddinebenlarbi...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Delivered-To: trappy.mctrapf...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:trappy.mctrapf...@gmail.com>
> > Received: by 2002:ac9:5a7:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id 36csp448821ocw;
> >          Wed, 2 Mar 2022 09:00:00 -0800 (PST)
> > X-Google-Smtp-Source:
> >
> ABdhPJyxgfRpUsqWbBr/re0QDp8Iuv7ucxtW/eurO7tWJljvtHlCTV1lhn/G7sQ8oaAejLhkikay
> > X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:2ac9:b0:6ce:dc0f:9139 with SMTP id
> > m9-20020a1709062ac900b006cedc0f9139mr24070631eje.206.1646240400450;
> >          Wed, 02 Mar 2022 09:00:00 -0800 (PST)
> > ARC-Seal: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; t=1646240400; cv=pass;
> >          d=google.com <http://google.com>; s=arc-20160816;
> >
> > b=l3yLyzfYcfCR9yaygSwMGchxrJnNoDvQiZ7ulrnSnSJDNm0Z6OzuvvxQRxFitXfKkC
> >
> >   rv+M/at6NjqHvthAySYJHllze6pEFIgdYPLDbajCqIin8a09vhX6YsWdsGK8OMin/Zlr
> >
> >   McvJ3AxyItbQ5vASGm2pROGaky8iG+isG1TIu1HtmVbGk75ihEllQDx8yxgKh7rsZ2Nb
> >
> >   42quNIa1SZ50v3wgs5o6F07ZCWGc9xR6t7UGhAOscbrTYYUWzCcjXNG3s2zqwhAV0kuz
> >
> >   +ML+Idfy5jUvcrNWiKA1eBnELSskInJoYdzHddUq8E9tf+609ECu58A2pdizVkGWu/Za
> >           fhKQ==
> > ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> > d=google.com <http://google.com>; s=arc-20160816;
> >          h=to:feedback-id:reply-to:subject:subject:message-id:message-id
> >           :mime-version:from:date:dkim-signature:dkim-signature;
> >          bh=unij9luYZjytYq8AnlTGrziLaTBYROHjkIEkJHrCZEI=;
> >
> > b=L2r7W1Ax8bOAZ/mPCFbyQiXSepDAqF4Z3BDl11dszqt3si4yReg9zYoIqc7wGFOXBV
> >
> >   QuKBtFWs3FTE9fGqBFEwgaDiObCUWdVL08BMI7Uw9EZPL8ej3Mhk5oipUMi3gcSpDbgz
> >
> >   uK6UChfO33wOx8uXoiDVZ8QmBoUEPiBvH/NLVYPHVdcVw9sIDS4/Rv/i+DCuAou2KQua
> >
> >   emuPHs4W0SDrKRCYpOfYTilzse9RWiTgoCTjTL3whe/uZuWwYgeljZF682+Np+i7+OoZ
> >
> >   YhyyHOijqWNwDR3dLPMXOpg7/u01xguZsjgTFoBMXYvPKWn3V/AXPoVjqC67CJ81vatf
> >           Jlhw==
> > ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; mx.google.com <http://mx.google.com>;
> >         dkim=pass header.i=@test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://test.ascendbywix.com> header.s=s1 header.b=P9JGN5Pt;
> >         dkim=pass header.i=@sendgrid.info <http://sendgrid.info>
> > header.s=smtpapi header.b="PzohlIQ/";
> >         arc=pass (i=1 spf=pass spfdomain=sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://sg.test.ascendbywix.com> dkim=pass dkdomain=test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://test.ascendbywix.com> dkim=pass dkdomain=sendgrid.info
> > <http://sendgrid.info> dmarc=pass fromdomain=test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://test.ascendbywix.com>);
> >         spf=fail (google.com <http://google.com>: domain of
> > bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com> does not designate 81.7.6.53
> > as permitted sender)
> > smtp.mailfrom="bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com>";
> >         dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE)
> > header.from=test.ascendbywix.com <http://test.ascendbywix.com>
> > Return-Path:
> > <bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com>>
> > Received: from takataka.gr <http://takataka.gr> ([81.7.6.53])
> >          by mx.google.com <http://mx.google.com> with ESMTP id
> > r1-20020a1709061ba100b006d07f388e25si10294892ejg.908.2022.03.02.09.00.00
> >          for <trappy.mctrapf...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:trappy.mctrapf...@gmail.com>>;
> >          Wed, 02 Mar 2022 09:00:00 -0800 (PST)
> > Received-SPF: fail (google.com <http://google.com>: domain of
> > bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com> does not designate 81.7.6.53
> > as permitted sender) client-ip=81.7.6.53;
> > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com <http://mx.google.com>;
> >         dkim=pass header.i=@test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://test.ascendbywix.com> header.s=s1 header.b=P9JGN5Pt;
> >         dkim=pass header.i=@sendgrid.info <http://sendgrid.info>
> > header.s=smtpapi header.b="PzohlIQ/";
> >         arc=pass (i=1 spf=pass spfdomain=sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://sg.test.ascendbywix.com> dkim=pass dkdomain=test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://test.ascendbywix.com> dkim=pass dkdomain=sendgrid.info
> > <http://sendgrid.info> dmarc=pass fromdomain=test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://test.ascendbywix.com>);
> >         spf=fail (google.com <http://google.com>: domain of
> > bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com> does not designate 81.7.6.53
> > as permitted sender)
> > smtp.mailfrom="bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com>";
> >         dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE)
> > header.from=test.ascendbywix.com <http://test.ascendbywix.com>
> > Received: by 2002:a4a:390e:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m14csp2497925ooa;
> >          Tue, 1 Mar 2022 01:20:28 -0800 (PST)
> > X-Received: by 2002:a25:b3c7:0:b0:623:e9fe:e108 with SMTP id
> > x7-20020a25b3c7000000b00623e9fee108mr24017231ybf.335.1646126428656;
> >          Tue, 01 Mar 2022 01:20:28 -0800 (PST)
> > ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1646126428; cv=none;
> >          d=google.com <http://google.com>; s=arc-20160816;
> >
> > b=klrOQobiQW3z0we7NWks+cp02ocQHUJPSDgVAWXTvkjyJxD+ihHvo9ERutsIQzrG8K
> >
> >   1zVjI45xZs4cE7O6cB6Ylech/BF0+6XA4LmbHa7P69SfszZ0BJvkHMbQIKGSQ2EgkuIj
> >
> >   wsxPqXOGAEUfcv3loqu+yhHvfF/e1FB7yJgASvLFU36gkWSy/cz91O1eeGfFGrgKSP9V
> >
> >   n8CBONOor1cpwVaFhRTEPQ0ByIJRx/10feTaguiwCpoovac0/uajp+wgV3kBu8yMQOsL
> >
> >   yFDfTH30/w8Lmo9A3R7yExiXctr88AkYrMIXSg5S3JZlCLieLxEfSirEDH4Hchgiiwzs
> >           KU2A==
> > ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> > d=google.com <http://google.com>; s=arc-20160816;
> >
> h=to:feedback-id:reply-to:subject:message-id:mime-version:from:date
> >           :dkim-signature:dkim-signature;
> >          bh=unij9luYZjytYq8AnlTGrziLaTBYROHjkIEkJHrCZEI=;
> >
> > b=e7JNdh6KCXyb8EhXXTQo9p1qZ9yFuguH3aBwGC+IaK009NPSfnv8r7NBCK8FiiOESN
> >
> >   m14bKwy+o9XaLGAw3F7UO2TE9q74/sOgB2L1IdGZ7F+pKvKGlQVRoKGFl1cy5CTZ9QXX
> >
> >   kL3YX3J97nd3eOLe2QgR55G19Cxqa/wcgdfaJjzDrN/9aTSAvhX/K8UkVyLmGF/wxSL+
> >
> >   s6ZJchYDxaORmFRaUK79sN/oafqXYPH84/32Nc1IWHC9PL1ecItttkLij8SwUvDMjInv
> >
> >   mtcY9WoZbTIBvgTNRaxeEZwfuLweaV9VUwub2RNNOwLfRezbW3z6aezBUUiMd2FR5wc3
> >           bJqA==
> > ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com <http://mx.google.com>;
> >         dkim=pass header.i=@test.ascendbywix.com
> > <http://test.ascendbywix.com> header.s=s1 header.b=P9JGN5Pt;
> >         dkim=pass header.i=@sendgrid.info <http://sendgrid.info>
> > header.s=smtpapi header.b="PzohlIQ/";
> >         spf=pass (google.com <http://google.com>: domain of
> > bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com> designates 167.89.28.151 as
> > permitted sender)
> > smtp.mailfrom="bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com>";
> >         dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE)
> > header.from=test.ascendbywix.com <http://test.ascendbywix.com>
> > Return-Path:
> > <bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com>>
> > Received: from o29.sg.ascendbywix.com <http://o29.sg.ascendbywix.com>
> > (o29.sg.ascendbywix.com <http://o29.sg.ascendbywix.com>.
> [167.89.28.151])
> >          by mx.google.com <http://mx.google.com> with ESMTPS id
> > h36-20020a81b664000000b002d13ff5f75bsi10543989ywk.53.2022.03.01.01.20.28
> >          for <azeddinebenlarbi...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:azeddinebenlarbi...@gmail.com>>
> >          (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128);
> >          Tue, 01 Mar 2022 01:20:28 -0800 (PST)
> > Received-SPF: pass (google.com <http://google.com>: domain of
> > bounces+3348031-0178-azeddinebenlarbi329=
> gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:gmail....@sg.test.ascendbywix.com> designates 167.89.28.151 as
> > permitted sender) client-ip=167.89.28.151;
> > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> > d=test.ascendbywix.com <http://test.ascendbywix.com>;
> > h=content-type:from:mime-version:subject:reply-to:x-feedback-id:to;
> > s=s1; bh=unij9luYZjytYq8AnlTGrziLaTBYROHjkIEkJHrCZEI=;
> > b=P9JGN5PtXZbUGegZNFWrm7KJmx47g20Z8Ik7Og1sKYSNE+nWnEnfhUtHbbO9v4bb85xB
> > ZcCAJJiVqZSABX+/YUzpVnvGvlcxP/4ZVlD/Vzdzk5sPdgAWg41fCbOolfXpVz3e+Mq50Q
> > +em3llnjq+CliRMnmC4hSPRWlKLDfWKu8KPs38okaL7HK3WxxGpAO/6SC76aGOY/YxFSnV
> > uxfdG8QEWX79tCpfI8pmUVZvv8MSTAOocAAcbbvenIeJE5PfPeBVjCreSqwogEO0OGguN2
> > 8V2akKKqvbMKRlaafPiZ8HBFaE1YkDSFGKkrmsFIoF8JNDOQC0RiIvzpB6KupVtw==
> > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sendgrid.info
> > <http://sendgrid.info>;
> > h=content-type:from:mime-version:subject:reply-to:x-feedback-id:to;
> > s=smtpapi; bh=unij9luYZjytYq8AnlTGrziLaTBYROHjkIEkJHrCZEI=;
> > b=PzohlIQ/O/Yd5uXr0V5xE/tfkG5TBjtSk4TSct0hwy6dCgV69aE8sYHkcUS4DPajzXNX
> > hWJToy7b8T5/A4gy8ji+FqUOrIfqa+jFzUSU018/ujKqpllz8CCosZGve/CH+HsUZA+suC
> > pCsvtJHoQAtJJDZoeBc28UibGfVFlHAzA=
> > Received: by filterdrecv-656998cfdd-dxhv8 with SMTP id
> > filterdrecv-656998cfdd-dxhv8-1-621DE55C-B
> >          2022-03-01 09:20:28.239436093 +0000 UTC m=+13859590.117375723
> > Received: from MzM0ODAzMQ (unknown) by ismtpd0061p1las1.sendgrid.net
> > <http://ismtpd0061p1las1.sendgrid.net> (SG) with HTTP id
> > nMh2xC0YSDuucmswZAyctA Tue, 01 Mar 2022 09:20:28.133 +0000 (UTC)
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > boundary=5652e9e37bf97e2f5afd29ae0726f708c4d7d8a6ca2b68e83d110805e607
> > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 09:20:28 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: "🔞Suck_me💋" <no-re...@test.ascendbywix.com
> > <mailto:no-re...@test.ascendbywix.com>>
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > Message-ID:
> > <tair7mckqcfthnsohjrktzdgpzrwo...@ismtpd0061p1las1.sendgrid.net
> > <mailto:tair7mckqcfthnsohjrktzdgpzrwo...@ismtpd0061p1las1.sendgrid.net>>
> > Message-ID: <nmh2xc0ysduucmswzay...@ismtpd0061p1las1.sendgrid.net
> > <mailto:nmh2xc0ysduucmswzay...@ismtpd0061p1las1.sendgrid.net>>
> > Subject: TRAPPY.MCTRAPFACE.....Jag är ledig för sex🔥Ikväll🔞Låt oss
> > träffas och knulla..🔞---Ikväll💋***3127795457
> > Subject: se
> > Reply-To: "🔞Suck_me💋" <cont...@studiosyears.co.uk
> > <mailto:cont...@studiosyears.co.uk>>
> > x-abuse-id: 4ceea4f1-8b3b-4aa3-b1e2-ac4327b529b9
> > Feedback-ID:
> >
> 4ceea4f1-8b3b-4aa3-b1e2-ac4327b529b9:2295fca2-d8cd-445d-99b7-65050cd44b8e:wixshoutout
> > X-Feedback-ID: 3348031:SG
> > X-SG-EID:
> >
> apC/pe/zbzDqnTT6zV9Wv1gEFqcnmG9YbKBQJEAVDcUgYP2u6TscjIHGdeOzzNKDpD2n7PUlpQzsLQFjZpSvEGF9cf1cv1gx0gn4QXMWEDLl+Q29zeCVlHp9jSG2xlNUkQz/KX4O3yiYOrYCD0qtNO491F2cmq2qsMSgSqqPwbXoiCNEegG8FoiwLeBMcbdCqTQZb/S/gk13BhEIHFfu9tng3n70tLqNwfsVF3aVWc7xsaOw0fFkfJ0GoDoZ876w7cyU5joVw0tikCjABXwRBA==
> > X-SG-ID:
> >
> N2C25iY2uzGMFz6rgvQsb8raWjw0ZPf1VmjsCkspi/LP5qbstBs+tNXeqRqWNMElXL97lzut3o+IPcAkA9CcXv8yKhwJejT9wnW1jUPmsdJ8/FV6Ck4y3YBgP5saSmoKs3fV2XzcfEGH1Cn5CId7xqmdBEMoGjiDP1gV3OFd9cykfBHNuIrQZ5FJ/D3Z2BF1k4sgTxm4TgHAjfvC/pp5+AyVzKkROwJ599/XwPA+iZY/GypC2PdgTIrroJVGBMhW/QUtCsniD57PrmYBF9ZS1pjgg+6eORATab9qgV2pf0aW0xZCQpvd6FGGdhFwH314
> > To: azeddinebenlarbi...@gmail.com <mailto:azeddinebenlarbi...@gmail.com>
> > X-Entity-ID: syRQ9ETube4F+FdaRpBU1w==
> >
> >
> > Sender        Edgar Vaitkevičius, founder / CEO
> > ed...@sender.net <mailto:ed...@sender.net>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:42 PM Michael Peddemors via mailop
> > <mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     Add just the headers from a single abuse email here on the thread..
> >     sanitize as needed.. seems that they of course can only use part of
> the
> >     information as a forgery (eg SendGrid headers)
> >
> >     I think this is an attack vector that was seen back even a few months
> >     ago, however that type of an attack quickly gets an IP on an RBL..
> >     normally.
> >
> >     On 2022-03-02 9:12 a.m., Edgaras | SENDER via mailop wrote:
> >      > Hi Simon,
> >      >
> >      >  > Which domains, IP addresses and DKIM signatures are you
> >     responsible for
> >      >  > (or not) in the examples?
> >      > Our domain that is impacted: sendersrv.com <http://sendersrv.com>
> >     <http://sendersrv.com <http://sendersrv.com>>
> >      > SPF: v=spf1 ip4:185.3.229.125 ip4:185.3.229.126 ip4:185.3.229.127
> >      > ip4:185.3.229.128/27 <http://185.3.229.128/27>
> >     <http://185.3.229.128/27 <http://185.3.229.128/27>>
> >     ip4:141.136.38.0/24 <http://141.136.38.0/24>
> >      > <http://141.136.38.0/24 <http://141.136.38.0/24>>
> >     ip4:141.136.40.0/24 <http://141.136.40.0/24> <http://141.136.40.0/24
> >     <http://141.136.40.0/24>>
> >      > ip4:195.191.140.0/24 <http://195.191.140.0/24>
> >     <http://195.191.140.0/24 <http://195.191.140.0/24>>
> >     ip4:195.191.176.0/24 <http://195.191.176.0/24>
> >      > <http://195.191.176.0/24 <http://195.191.176.0/24>> -all
> >      > IP addresses, which we do not control and which are being to send
> >     out
> >      > spam are mentioned in my initial email:
> >      > 176.56.220.0/24 <http://176.56.220.0/24> <http://176.56.220.0/24
> >     <http://176.56.220.0/24>>
> >      > 176.56.221.0/24 <http://176.56.221.0/24> <http://176.56.221.0/24
> >     <http://176.56.221.0/24>>
> >      > 176.56.222.0/24 <http://176.56.222.0/24> <http://176.56.222.0/24
> >     <http://176.56.222.0/24>>
> >      > 103.110.248.0/24 <http://103.110.248.0/24>
> >     <http://103.110.248.0/24 <http://103.110.248.0/24>>
> >      > ....
> >      >
> >      > I added other samples that we discovered just to show that the
> >     problem
> >      > is not only affecting us.
> >      > Other abused domains are:
> >      > sendgrid.info <http://sendgrid.info> <http://sendgrid.info
> >     <http://sendgrid.info>>, spam sent from 104.168.76.42 (no
> >      > rDNS!)
> >      > getresponse-mail.com <http://getresponse-mail.com>
> >     <http://getresponse-mail.com <http://getresponse-mail.com>>, from
> >     119.235.249.182
> >      > (again no rDNS, SPF hard fails...)
> >      > sfr.fr <http://sfr.fr> <http://sfr.fr <http://sfr.fr>>, from
> >     85.120.225.105 (SPF fails)
> >      > ...
> >      > BTW, I only redacted the spamtrap email address, all other
> >     headers are
> >      > left as is.
> >      > To clarify further, I will walk through the case where an attacker
> >      > abuses GetResponse (getresponse2.eml).
> >      > What happens here:
> >      > 1. Attacker creates an account at Getresponse using a throwaway
> spam
> >      > site storagemodels.org.uk <http://storagemodels.org.uk>
> >     <http://storagemodels.org.uk <http://storagemodels.org.uk>>
> >      > 2. Sends a single email from Getresponse (using
> >      > re...@storagemodels.org.uk <mailto:re...@storagemodels.org.uk>
> >     <mailto:re...@storagemodels.org.uk
> >     <mailto:re...@storagemodels.org.uk>>)
> >      > to himself (arsalanpir...@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:arsalanpir...@gmail.com> <mailto:arsalanpir...@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:arsalanpir...@gmail.com>> is
> >      > the attacker's Gmail address)
> >      > 3. The email is signed with getresponse-mail.com
> >     <http://getresponse-mail.com>
> >      > <http://getresponse-mail.com <http://getresponse-mail.com>>, a
> >     domain with a good reputation at Gmail.
> >      > 4. Attacker then proceeds to spam from 119.235.249.182, spam
> >     mails count
> >      > against the reputation of getresponse-mail.com
> >     <http://getresponse-mail.com> <http://getresponse-mail.com
> >     <http://getresponse-mail.com>>
> >      > 5. Mails are delivered to countless Gmail users.
> >      >
> >      > What's worrying is that even if the headers are oversigned, DMARC
> >     set to
> >      > reject, it does nothing to stop this attack. There's literally
> >     nothing
> >      > you can do as a sender to prevent your reputation from being
> trashed.
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > Sender        Edgar Vaitkevičius, founder / CEO
> >      > ed...@sender.net <mailto:ed...@sender.net>
> >     <mailto:ed...@sender.net <mailto:ed...@sender.net>>
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 6:39 PM Simon Arlott via mailop
> >      > <mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org>
> >     <mailto:mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org>>> wrote:
> >      >
> >      >     On 02/03/2022 15:44, Edgaras | SENDER via mailop wrote:
> >      >      > Sorry for losing my nerve, but it is harming our
> >     reputation for a
> >      >     month
> >      >      > now, tried all possible channels to report this, and the
> >     issue is
> >      >     being
> >      >      > completely ignored.
> >      >
> >      >     These examples have the same problem that the original one in
> >     January
> >      >     did. They're just copies of emails without any explanation as
> >     to who
> >      >     you are and which domain's reputation is being impacted.
> >      >
> >      >     Which domains, IP addresses and DKIM signatures are you
> >     responsible for
> >      >     (or not) in the examples?
> >      >
> >      >     If you need to redact something then replace it with
> >     "example.com <http://example.com>
> >      >     <http://example.com <http://example.com>>",
> >      >     "example.net <http://example.net> <http://example.net
> >     <http://example.net>>", "example.org <http://example.org>
> >      >     <http://example.org <http://example.org>>", etc. and state
> >     how each of them fit into
> >      >     this. Provide a copy of the SPF/DKIM records (where relevant)
> >     for any
> >      >     redacted domains (the immediate sending IP may not be in the
> >     SPF record
> >      >     but maybe an earlier one or Google is).
> >      >
> >      >     Which domain's reputation is being impacted?
> >      >
> >      >     Without that information it's very hard to identify exactly
> >     what is
> >      >     going on. You've stated previously that "first an attacker
> >     sent a test
> >      >     email from our platform" but these ones don't appear to
> >     originate from
> >      >     you.
> >      >
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