Am 26.10.2023 um 16:16:00 Uhr schrieb David Verdin via mailop:

> But why did they write to this address? It's only when I had a 
> videoconference with my user that I could see that, in her Outlook 
> client, when displaying a message from the list, it read something
> like "[email protected] <[email protected]>".
> And hen clicking on it, the "-request" address was emphatized. It is
> therefore very easy to copy this address and paste it in a new
> message.

Then it is a client error.

> The "-request" address only appears in the "Sender" field. As per RFC 
> 2822 : "The "From:" field specifies the author(s) of the message,
> that is, the mailbox(es) of the person(s) or system(s) responsible
> for the writing of the message.  The "Sender:" field specifies the
> mailbox of the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the
> message."

Reply also must check for Reply-To which must be set to the list
address to make replies go to the list.

> Absolutely no reason to display it to end user as the actual mail 
> originator. It makes sense to give it as information, but displaying
> the way it is to end users is totally misleading.

I don't know Outlook, but Claws Mail shows those headers completely.

> In order to stop mayhem in those lists, I had to make Sympa remove
> the "Sender" header from outgoing emails. But who knows what side
> effect will this change have for deliverability ?

IIRC Sender: will be used in SMTP envelope MAIL FROM: instead of From:
when sending the mail.
This will result in SPF failure if your MTA sends the message with
From: <[email protected]> and MAIL FROM:<[email protected].
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