> On 11 Oct 2025, at 02:02, Michael Orlitzky <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 2025-10-10 14:27:51, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10 Oct 2025, at 14:06, Michael Orlitzky via mailop <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Going one step further: display only verified email addresses. If the
>>> email address itself is forged, preferring it over the friendly name
>>> isn't much of an improvement. With DKIM this is straightforward, but
>>> if we are going to allow SPF to pass DMARC, then we need to display
>>> the email address that was verified by SPF and not the one in the
>>> "From" header. (Though most of DMARC becomes moot if you have the
>>> courage to display unverified addresses as From: Unverified.)
>> 
>> Who is going to verify the addresses? Did it ever occur to you that some 
>> folks don’t want major tech companies not to have any more information about 
>> us? That collecting “verified” addresses makes the organization doing the 
>> verification an even bigger target for hackers. 
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8jmzd972leo
>> 
>> Let’s stop insisting people hand over data that can be used against them to 
>> organizations that have proven they are unable to protect personal info for 
>> shit. 
>> 
> 
> None of the technologies I mentioned involve a third party. Senders
> verify their own addresses by putting magic beans in the DNS; this
> part is not even hypothetical.
> 
> The only change I proposed is for MUAs to tell the truth: if there's
> no way to verify the sender, the message is "From" whatever some dude
> typed in a box, and presenting that string to the recipient as if it
> has meaning is dangerous. This is not a serious proposal, but I do
> believe that the issue boils down to a simple choice:
> 
>  1. Stop lying to the user
>  2. Accept forgery/phishing as inevitable
> 
> "No Way To Prevent This," says only medium that confidently presents
> unsanitized attacker-supplied misinformation directly to the victim.


So… BIMI.

laura 



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