How are these the same times ? I'm seeing a clear 8 minute delay
between them. This is all within Google's side.
I only included the last hop to us to show it delivered instantly once
it made it to Google's outbound delivery queue. That's not where the
issue is.
X-Received: by 2002:a05:690e:1249:b0:671:70d2:528c with SMTP id
956f58d0204a3-6790a24f8dfmr4281358d50.79.1791485476106;
Thu, 08 Oct 2026 11:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-oa1-f69.google.com [1] with SMTP id
586e51a60fabf-46a4168b520so6111766fac.2
for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2026 11:59:17 -0700 (PDT)
On Friday, 09-10-2026 at 10:36 Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via
mailop wrote:
We've seen delays on Google's SMTP infractrcture intermittently, but
usually not more than 10 minutes.
The two "Received:" SMTP headers you included show the same times,
but appear different due to being in different timezones.
There is a lot of confusion lately with Pacific Time, however,
becuase in Canada we changed from PDT/PST to PCT (which means that
British Columbia {mostly} doesn't need to adjust our clocks two times
each year anymore).
What's made this confusing is that the "Canada/Pacific" timzone was
removed, with some people recommending using "America'Vancouver"
(even though we're not in Vancouver, Washington, USA, which will be
adjusting their clocks from PDT to PST on 2026-Nov-01 whlie we won't
be doing this here in Cnada).
Some software is supporting this change, while other software is
not, as the American "Vancouver" is incorrectly assumed authoritative
for Candaa (which it isn't).
Enter the ISO: Apparently they solved this problem, but I'm not
seeing that solution working in the field, and I'm not looking
forward to having to deal with end users with messed up timezones
calling because they think their time is right and everyone else's is
wrong.
I believe the ISO should be supporting the "Canada/Pactific' and
other "Canada/" timezones as this wlil properly resolve the problem
since American timezones are different from Canadian timezones
("America/" is not the same as "Americas/" just in case anyone misses
the subtle distinction indicated by the final letter "s" -- "America"
is the USA, while "Americas" is the continential region).
In summary, the confusion with timing could be due to the current
mess with the timezones if any part of the systems are converting
between Canadian and American timezones.
> Anyone else received reports of delayed messages from Google and the
> headers show delays within Google's infrastructure ? We got quite a
> few this week with delays ranging from 5 minutes to 35+ minutes.
>
> Sample headers:
>
> X-Received: by 2002:a05:690e:1249:b0:671:70d2:528c with SMTP id
> 956f58d0204a3-6790a24f8dfmr4281358d50.79.1791485476106;
> Thu, 08 Oct 2026 11:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by mail-oa1-f69.google.com with SMTP id
> 586e51a60fabf-46a4168b520so6111766fac.2
> for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2026 11:59:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from mail-oa1-f69.google.com (mail-oa1-f69.google.com
> [209.85.160.69])
> by mx.emailarray.com (Haraka/3.2.0) with ESMTPS id
> 412697C7-0042-4C4F-B15C-1B1869CE5EFE.1
> envelope-from
> tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384;
> Thu, 08 Oct 2026 12:59:17 -0600
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
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Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Vancouver, Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
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