On 9 Oct 2026, at 16:15, Ralph Seichter <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Is this kind of sub-CA a service that some certificate authorities
>> provide ?
> 
> Interesting question. From the perspective of operating a small and
> unknown-to-the-wider-world Root CA myself, I would never allow a third
> party to use an Intermediary CA of mine to sign certificates. I could
> not control how, when and for whom this third party hands out certs --
> and all of those would be chain-signed with my Root CA. Not going to
> happen here.
> 
> I would be surprised if some Organisation XYZ, which went through the
> significant effort and cost of establishing a well-known and respected
> Root CA, handed out intermediate CAs to others.

I'm assuming Kurt was trying to find out whether "real" CAs are willing to hand 
out CA certificates with a name constraint 
(https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5280/#section-4.2.1.10 ) to third parties. 
It would be very nice to have something like that. Maybe letsencrypt or a 
competitor could stop doing silly things*, and actually add a feature that 
allows the general public to start using encrypted email with 
s/mime.</mini-rant> 

Anyway, I'm only aware of people using this with a private CA, where it is then 
used to limit the CA to signing internal hostnames only. That way, it is not 
possible to abuse such a CA (which will also be installed as a trusted CA on 
company machines) for mitm ssl proxying.


Jasper

*) i really appreciate what the people running LE have accomplished so far but 
a) I'd like a CA with a similar featureset that is not (in the end) controlled 
by trump, and b) breaking OCSP was really stupid. At least they could have left 
OCSP stapling as a thing instead of forcing people to go to short-lived 
certificates.
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