In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Geyssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >While we're on the topic--Is there anything close to an accepted date for the >Culex or Ciris? > Culex: first century AD, before Lucan, if you believe Sootiness' report that he 'initia sua cum Vergilio conparans ausus sit dicere: 'et quantum mihi restat ad Culicem?'; otherwise before Statius, _Silvae_ 2. 7. 74 'ante annos Culicis Maroniani'. Either way, you have to allow the forgery time to be believed in; but not much time, since people wanted to believe in it (see Fraenkel, JRS 1952).
Ciris: some people say first century AD, some second. The 'back to Catullus' feel about it might support the retro-chic of the second. Leofranc Holford-Strevens *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Leofranc Holford-Strevens 67 St Bernard's Road usque adeone Oxford scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat alter? OX2 6EJ tel. +44 (0)1865 552808(home)/267865(work) fax +44 (0)1865 512237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
