Dear List,

about the message below from L. H-S, I'll stick my neck out again:

Yes, I think there is a point to the Horace "misquotation" of 
Cicero and I think it might meet the description of "facetiae":  it 
is my contention (not mine really, I just mean I agree with those who 
have said it) that Augustus "adopted" Cicero when he wanted to be 
seen as a good republican.  The term "princeps" he found in Cicero's 
de re publica.  Both Cicero and Augustus were "pater patriae".  
Catiline is a prominent figure amongst the miscreants 
on Aeneas' shield. On 13 September 30 Cicero's son was made consul 
suffectus, so as to be in a position to announce the defeat and death 
of Antony in Rome.  So, I would say that the Horace quotation was a 
gentle political allusion.  Horace is saying "we know, Augustus, that 
you are the new Cicero, qua political thinker and qua saviour of the 
state;  qua poet, I would be a new but equally bungling Cicero if I 
were to try to write your praises".

And since I  have stuck my head above the parapet, I shall leave it 
there a while:

Just before the passage quoted by L.H-S, Horace, addressing Augustus 
and contrasting Vergil and Varius , Augustus' poets, with Choerilus, 
Alexander's poet, and contrasting the written with the visual arts 
writes:
at neque dedecorant tua de se iudicia atque
munera quae multa dantis cum laude tulerunt
dilecti tibi Vergilius Variusque poetae; 
nec magis expressi uultus per aenea signa
quam per uatis opus mores animique uirorum
clarorum apparent.

There are some who will say that AENEA SIGNA just happens to sound 
like AENEAS, the hero of Vergil's poem and avatar of Augustus.  Of 
their number I am not.

I shall now take cover.

Yours,

yn
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> Date:          Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:08:42 +0000
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> From:          Leofranc Holford-Strevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:       Re: VIRGIL: Aeneid Jokes
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> Indeed; there is a parallel in Horace's _recusatio_ to Augustus at
> _Epist._ 2.1/250-7: I would much rather write an epic in your honour
> than these earth-bound _sermones_ if I had the talent.
> 
>                         nec sermones ego mallem         250
>         repentes per humum quam res componere gestas
>         terrarumque situs et flumina dicere et arces
>         montibus impositas et barbara regna tuisque
>         auspiciis totum confecta duella per orbem
>         claustraque custodem pacis cohibentia Ianum     255
>         et formidatam Parthis te principe Romam,
>         si quantum cuperem possem quoque.
> 
> Hands up anyone who can say what verse 255 reminds him or her off. Yes,
> that's right, Cicero's infamous line
> 
>         O fortunatam natam me consule Romam.
> 
> Subversion? A sly but friendly jest? Inadvertence? Or was _O fortunatam_
> not yet the stock example of bad verse it had become by Silver times?
> 
> Leofranc Holford-Strevens       
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