<x-html><html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> <P><BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Simon Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>>Subject: VIRGIL: LEAVE ME ALONE <DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:40:07 +0100 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV>I agree with Simon, please unsubscribe me!I have tried on numerous occasions to leave Mantovano but nothing works. I have not been able to use any of the information sent to me and most of it has been irelevant theorising and pondering. If anyone can tell me how to leave I would be extremeley happy and greatful.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: <a href='http://g.msn.com/1HM105301/42'>Click Here</a><br></html></x-html>>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:52:47 -0700 Received: from [161.58.154.39] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE8FD8DE00964004315BA13A9A27929E0; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:51:22 -0700 Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsonwork.com (8.11.6) id g3OAeFQ01067; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:40:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: wilsonwork.com: wilsonwk set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f X-Originating-IP: [195.92.80.139] From: "Simon Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: LEAVE ME ALONE Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:40:07 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2002 10:40:07.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[66B7ACF0:01C1EB7C] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<x-html><html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> <P>PLEAES STOP WRITING TO ME AT THIS EMAIL ADDRESS, ITS GETTING RIGHT UP MY NOSE<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Bob Cowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Virgil "pony translation" and citation requested, please! <DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:24:55 +0000 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Hi Jo-Ski <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>As far as the 'pony translation' - not a phrase I've heard before, <DIV></DIV>>but <DIV></DIV>>I like it! - goes, the Loeb Classical Library are the standard <DIV></DIV>>providers for facing text and translation volumes. I know Goold <DIV></DIV>>recently revised Fairclough's edition and translation in this <DIV></DIV>>series and while I can't vouch for it from autopsy, I imagine it <DIV></DIV>>will <DIV></DIV>>be pretty sound. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>I think your phrase must be 'sunt lacrimae rerum' Aeneid 1.462. <DIV></DIV>>Aeneas <DIV></DIV>>has just seen the murals of the Trojan war on the temple of Juno at <DIV></DIV>>Carthage and takes them as proof (wrongly, some think, though I <DIV></DIV>>disagree) that the locals are the sort of people who feel pity, who <DIV></DIV>>appreciate human sorrow, and who are therefore likely to be good <DIV></DIV>>hosts to <DIV></DIV>>the Trojan refugees. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>All best <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Bob <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>>From: "Jo-Ski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>>>Subject: VIRGIL: Virgil "pony translation" and citation requested, <DIV></DIV>>>please! <DIV></DIV>>>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:26:39 -0700 <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>Hello, everyone! <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>I'm new to the list. My interest in ancient classical literature <DIV></DIV>>>has <DIV></DIV>>>continued from my days as an English Lit major in college (studying <DIV></DIV>>>Homer, <DIV></DIV>>>Virgil, and Dante--but mostly in translation, unfortunately) and <DIV></DIV>>>from my <DIV></DIV>>>ongoing participation in performing ancient music. <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>I have two questions of you, please: <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>1) I have searched and searched Amazon/the Web for a good "pony <DIV></DIV>>>translation" of the Aeneid--with Latin on one page or one side of <DIV></DIV>>>the page, <DIV></DIV>>>English on the other. I am one of those poor unfortunates who did <DIV></DIV>>>not have <DIV></DIV>>>the wisdom as a teenager to heed the call to study Latin in high <DIV></DIV>>>school <DIV></DIV>>>(studied French and German instead), and now I'm very sorry for it! <DIV></DIV>>>To <DIV></DIV>>>start off a self-study program, I thought it would be a great <DIV></DIV>>>pleasure to <DIV></DIV>>>read the Aeneid in such a parallel translation. From singing <DIV></DIV>>>medieval and <DIV></DIV>>>Renaissance sacred music for many years, I have some familiarity <DIV></DIV>>>with <DIV></DIV>>>Latin, so I know I would really enjoy just savoring the original <DIV></DIV>>>language <DIV></DIV>>>as I acquaint myself with its translation in the English. Does <DIV></DIV>>>anyone know <DIV></DIV>>>of such a treasure of a pony translation, please? <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>2) I am searching for the Latin translation of a phrase--plus a <DIV></DIV>>>source--that I believe are from the Aeneid that long ago, in one of <DIV></DIV>>>my lit <DIV></DIV>>>courses, a prof made reference to. Alas, I missed the entirety of <DIV></DIV>>>the <DIV></DIV>>>reference in the lecture (momentary brain-blink), but in all the <DIV></DIV>>>ensuing <DIV></DIV>>>years, I have had many occasions to make reference to it, could I <DIV></DIV>>>only <DIV></DIV>>>trace it. The English translation my professor gave was "the tears <DIV></DIV>>>that are <DIV></DIV>>>in everything," which struck me as among some of the most <DIV></DIV>>>beautiful, if <DIV></DIV>>>sorrowful words/thoughts ever penned. The Latin was something like <DIV></DIV>>>"Lacrimae summae" (obviously, I've not studied Latin!), although <DIV></DIV>>>searches <DIV></DIV>>>I've done so far on words such as "Lacrimae" do not yield any <DIV></DIV>>>fruit. Does <DIV></DIV>>>anyone know this reference, please? <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>Many, many thanks in advance! <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>Jo-Ski <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>_________________________________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>>Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. <DIV></DIV>>http://www.hotmail.com <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- <DIV></DIV>>To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. <DIV></DIV>>Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message <DIV></DIV>>"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). <DIV></DIV>>You <DIV></DIV>>can also unsubscribe at <DIV></DIV>>http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href='http://g.msn.com/1HM105301/43'>http://explorer.msn.com</a>.<br></html> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. 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