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Dr. A.M., Regarding the 1537 Mercator 'Holy Land', have a look at my 'Mapping the Holy Land', NY, Abbeville, 1986: plate 24. This is the early 17th century re-impression of the original by C. J. Visscher. It contains the entire map, by not the decorative borders, the plates for which had apparently been lost before Visscher's time. It was used because the unique original is bound in six sheets in the public library of Perugia (where it was discovered by Almagia early in the last century). Best, Ken Nebenzahl _________________ Kenneth Nebenzahl, Inc. Rare Books, Manuscripts, Maps and Prints Est. 1957 Emeritus member ABAA/ILAB P.O. Box 370 Glencoe, IL 60022 USA T: 847-835-0515 F: 847-835-0086 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Maphist Digest, Vol 56, Issue 12 Send Maphist mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Maphist digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Old map scale (Joel Kovarsky) 2. Re: Greek map of Gulf of Venice (Len Berggren) 3. Re: Old map scale (David Bradbury) 4. Map Overlay (Larry Miller) 5. Re: Map Overlay (G?ran B??rnhielm) 6. Mercarotor Holy land 1536 (Alfred Moldovan) 7. Re: Map Overlay (Kamil Nie?cioruk) 8. RE: Mercarotor Holy land 1536 (Joost Depuydt) 9. Re: Mercarotor Holy land 1536 (Leen Helmink) 10. Re: Greek map of Gulf of Venice (piero falchetta) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:20:47 -0400 From: Joel Kovarsky <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MapHist] Old map scale To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 4/11/2010 3:00 AM, David Bradbury wrote: > So the question is- did De Fer, working at about the same time as the > Cassinis, under French royal patronage, and having access to the > Picard data, make use of it to define his League by reference to the > Earth's circumference? Perhaps measurement on the map itself, between > points which are likely to have been positioned with maximum accuracy, > can help provide an answer. It is unlikely that a variable measure like a one-hour walking distance would be standardized to the same level as the consistent beat of a pendulum, although anything is possible. I may be wrong, but do not think the one-hour walking distance scale appeared on the Cassini maps of France. I believe the 1:86,400 scale of the 180 sheet map published between 1798-1812 was still based on the old English fathom (and not yet the pendulum swing): http://www.informatics.org/france/maps.html . Joel Kovarsky ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:10:18 -0700 From: Len Berggren <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MapHist] Greek map of Gulf of Venice To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Interesting Wikipedia article, and thanks for steering us to it, John. But the Theophanes in that article lived from the mid- to late-14th century and the inscription on the map in question (at least as I read it) dates it to 1205. I suspect it must be another Theophanes. What do others think? -Len Berggren On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:01 PM, John W. Docktor <[email protected]>wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > Wikipedia has some information about him - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanes_the_Greek > > John Docktor > > On 4/10/2010 3:26 PM, Bob Karrow wrote: > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > > > > This little snippet of a map was published in Guillaume Libri's "Monuments > inidits ou peu connus..." 2d ed. (London, 1864). > It has the caption "Geographical map of the XIIIth century on vellum by > Theophanes, a Greek artist, who has inscribed the Latin names in Greek > letters." The introduction gives no clue as to its source, nor have I been able > to identify a 13th-century Theophanes. > The "facsimile" is clearly a redrawing. Can anyone identify the source?[image: Theophanes map] > > -- > Robert W. Karrow, Jr. > Curator of Special Collections and Curator of Maps > The Newberry Library > 60 West Walton Street > Chicago, Illinois 60610-7324 > [email protected] > Phone: 312-255-3554 > Fax: 312-255-3646 > Search our map catalog at www.biblioserver.com/newberry > > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. 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URL: http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100411/746d73ff/att achment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:40:11 +0100 From: David Bradbury <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MapHist] Old map scale To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Joel Kovarsky wrote: > On 4/11/2010 3:00 AM, David Bradbury wrote: >> So the question is- did De Fer, working at about the same time as the >> Cassinis, under French royal patronage, and having access to the >> Picard data, make use of it to define his League by reference to the >> Earth's circumference? Perhaps measurement on the map itself, between >> points which are likely to have been positioned with maximum >> accuracy, can help provide an answer. > It is unlikely that a variable measure like a one-hour walking > distance would be standardized to the same level as the consistent > beat of a pendulum, although anything is possible. I may be wrong, but > do not think the one-hour walking distance scale appeared on the > Cassini maps of France. I believe the 1:86,400 scale of the 180 sheet > map published between 1798-1812 was still based on the old English > fathom (and not yet the pendulum swing): > http://www.informatics.org/france/maps.html . The "lieue commune" is defined as "deux mille deux cens quatre vingt deux toises" or as "vingt-cinq lieues au degri" in the "Nouveau dictionnaire de l'Acadimie frangaise," published in 1718, so clearly the concepts which would lead to the precise definitions later used were understood in academic circles by that time. Still, it would be best to gather some hard evidence from maps of the era, unless somebody can point us to where that has already been done. David Bradbury ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:55:39 -0400 From: "Larry Miller" <[email protected]> Subject: [MapHist] Map Overlay To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <064101cad9c1$b9ea5c60$2dbf15...@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know if it is possible to create a transparent map overlay using Photoshop? I am using a current city street map and laying it over a city map from the 19thy century. Larry Miller [email protected] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100411/2509a1ed/att achment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:52:45 +0200 From: G?ran B??rnhielm <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map Overlay To: [email protected], Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed "Yes you can!" Use the layer function and copy one map as a layer onto the other, varying the opacity/transparency of the layers. If you have outlines or contours, you may select the lines only, leaving the area between completely transparent. But the maps must overlap exactly, so you may have to rotate and resize them till they do, could be a lot of work. Their geometry must be the same, similar projections. There are other functions also, distorsion, skewing etc. which may help with such problems. There are more advanced applications for making map overlays with stretching functions, much used by historical geographers, but you'll have to ask others about that. Kind regards Gvran Bddrnhielm, ex-maplibrarian ********************************************************** Gvran Bddrnhielm Grindsgatan 35, SE-11857 Stockholm, Sweden Tel. +46-8-6437741, Mobile +46-768-362848 [email protected] http://goran.baarnhielm.net/ ********************************************************** Larry Miller skrev: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Does anyone know if it is possible to create a transparent map overlay > using Photoshop? > > I am using a current city street map and laying it over a city map from > the 19thy century. > > > > Larry Miller > > [email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist -- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:02:04 -0400 From: "Alfred Moldovan" <[email protected]> Subject: [MapHist] Mercarotor Holy land 1536 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAHGQT8VNd9hKhGHO2Ilcy03igAAAEAAAANTKRT0RiW5EgKTUIaRD [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I understand that there is a single copy of Mercator's Holy Land 1536 wall map in a European library, if so where? Has it ever been reproduced? AM Alfred Moldovan, MD 444 Central Park West New York, NY 10025 Tel. 212.865.2828 Fax: 212.865.3111 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:02:34 +0200 From: Kamil Nie?cioruk <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map Overlay To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Larry, Photoshop is bad idea in this case, as you'll have to modify the early plan's geometry. The best solution would be any programme with georeferencing options. Try GIS (various soft, ranging from free to expensive packages). I suppose MapAnalyst can do the trick as well (http://mapanalyst.cartography.ch/) - you can test it as it's quite reasonable programme for early maps analysis, even if you have no theoretical background. Regards, Kamil NieEcioruk -- __________________________________________________________ | Kamil Niescioruk | www.kamilniescioruk.prv.pl ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:57:01 +0200 From: "Joost Depuydt" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [MapHist] Mercarotor Holy land 1536 To: "Discussion group for map history" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <674870480abac54e8cc8203f2a71627004777...@rms1.rte.antwerpen.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Alfred The only known copy of Mercator's Holy Land wall map (1537) is to be found in the Bibliotheca Communale Augusta in Perugia (Italy). Robert Halleux, Carmilia Opsomer en Jan Vandersmissen (red.), Geschiedenis van de wetenschappen in Belgik van de Oudheid tot 1815. Gemeentekrediet / Dexia, Brussel 1998, p. 201: "Eveneens in 1537 publiceerde Mercator zijn eerste kaart: de Amplissima Terrae Sanctae descriptio ad utriusque testamenti intelligentiam, een kaart van het Heilige Land. Deze kaart, waarvan lange tijd werd gedacht dat ze was verloren gegaan, werd in 1920 herontdekt door de Italiaanse historicus Roberto Almagi` (1884-1962). Er bestaat nog slechts iin exemplaar van. Dit bevindt zich momenteel in de Bibliotheca Communale Augusta te Perugia. De gegevens die Mercator op de kaart heeft aangebracht, werden ontleend aan een verhandeling van Jacob Ziegler (1480-1549) over het Heilige Land: Quae Intus Continentus Syria, ad Ptolomaici operis rationem. Praeterea Strabone, Plinio, & Antonio auctoribus locupletata Palestina iisdem auctoribus (1532)." http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/hall014gesc01_01/hall014gesc01_01_0016.php Joost Depuydt | consulent wetenschappelijk werk Stad Antwerpen | stadsarchief Kantooradres: FelixArchief | Oudeleeuwenrui 29 | 2000 Antwerpen tel + 32 3 338 94 59 | fax +32 3 338 94 10 [email protected] | [email protected] www.felixarchief.be 't Stad is van iedereen. ***Disclaimer*** Dit e-mailbestand, met inbegrip van zijn eventuele bijlagen, is een officieel document van de Stad Antwerpen. Het kan vertrouwelijke of persoonlijke informatie bevatten. Als u deze boodschap per vergissing hebt ontvangen, verzoeken wij u om de afzender daarvan onmiddellijk per e-mail of telefoon op de hoogte te stellen en ze vervolgens van uw computer te verwijderen zonder de inhoud ervan eerst te lezen, te vermenigvuldigen, te verspreiden of op andere wijze openbaar te maken aan derden. 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AM Alfred Moldovan, MD 444 Central Park West New York, NY 10025 Tel. 212.865.2828 Fax: 212.865.3111 _______________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 02:18:48 -0400 From: Leen Helmink <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MapHist] Mercarotor Holy land 1536 To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100412/3f557fe4/att achment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:08:28 +0200 From: piero falchetta <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MapHist] Greek map of Gulf of Venice To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed In my opinion, a fake. *Rivoalti* as the name of Venice on a map of the Venetian lagoon of the 13th century? Bah... I don't believe it. 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